[Music] the greatest foe that we have is not China it is the Rogue state it is the individual who uses Advanced AI to try and do harm to others I think it’s insane that our kids are not being properly schooled in how to use AI to up level I think what’s going to happen faster than anybody realizes is a Reckoning where if you’re not using Ai and everything to do with education you’re going to be left behind very fast open AI Google asked the US government to let them train on AI copyrighted content copyright has been misused for the last 50 80 years we are currently holding two Futures in superp position one future in which AI has dystopian qualities it’s the other one in which it is one of the greatest stabilizing forces that we have and this digit superer intelligence you always have a period of huge chaos before you get to period of stability a lot of that future
[00:01:01] is determined by what we believe and how act now that’s a moonshot ladies and gentlemen everybody welcome to moonshots in our special episode of WTF just happened in Tech this week with my dear friend my Cen Spirit of everything exponential Saleem Ismael Saleem you back in Miami I’m back in New York and recovering from that insane event EV that you put together yeah it was great um we had year 13 of the abundance Summit uh really I truly feel it was one of the best years ever in terms of sold out you know 500 CEOs in the room a few thousand people on our live stream through our exponential Mastery Program and fun it’s a difficult thing to say but I think this is the best Conference of the Year anywhere thank you thank you
[00:02:00] and the bar is very high for that so well I appreciate that I don’t think of it as a conference it really is a a community that’s trying to understand how fast things are going how do they up level their work how do they go from success to significance um anyway the world doesn’t stand still A lot’s happening this past week and I’d love to cover some of the the recent news across AI robotics you know crypto everything and then weave in some of the things we saw during the summit this past week cuz a lot of incredible leaders and conversations you up for it totally up for it a lot to go a lot to cover for sure all right um let me hit on uh on the first item here and it’s h a conversation I had with Brett Adcock on stage at the abundance Summit but it’s also something he just texted me this morning and said hey check this out and I did this
[00:03:01] is uh their new Factory so figure AI makes the figure robot they’ve just been producing figure two and they’ve got figure three ready for announcement very soon um what I find fascinating is they built a facility that’s able to produce 12,000 of their robots per year right now scaling up to 100,000 per year uh pretty extraordinary what do you think about it uh fantastic it would be very very poetic to have figure robots making figure robots yeah self-recursive what could possibly go wrong uh but in all honesty uh I think Brett has been screaming in terms of how rapidly he’s iterating I mean he went from from starting the company to delivering robots in 31 months with you know just just over two years and then I think what he was saying on stage was they’re iterating a new design a figure every 12
[00:04:01] to 18 months which is insane and that seems to be about right in terms of the pace of the underlying technology is moving so quickly I have a major announcement to make around this please which is you know in previous episodes I’ve been very leery of human Ed robots right okay I know you’ve always said why don’t they have six arms why don’t they have that and also it’s going to take a lot longer to bring into play than we think and I need to eat crow and revise my assessments because what we’re seeing now is off the charts incredible uh a they’re doing incredible stuff and let’s talk about some of what they’re able to do but B if you have a robot learning a task then instantly five million other robots know how to do that task and that Hive learning makes it unbeatable over time yeah agreed what Brett said on stage is he’s got if he could if he had 100,000 robots today he has customers for them and he reconfirmed his
[00:05:00] expectation on pricing that in volume they’re going to go from where they are now probably you know sub 100,000 to sub 20,000 and again that blows me away uh they’re in BMW they just signed a contract for a large uh logistics company uh but what is really exciting is they’re going to be heading into the home very shortly that’s super cool h i’ like to have us have have six Arms by the way so if I have a request for Brett just leave some slots where like options on a car where you can in extra arms or stuff okay well that was an announcement this morning on on uh on X we’re going be putting out the podcast that we recorded at the abundance Summit with Brett Adcock on figure it’s going to be coming out uh very shortly right after this one I think most of you know that the news media is delivering negative news to us all the time because we paid 10 times more attention to negative news than positive news for me
[00:06:03] the only news worthwhile that’s true and impacting humanity is the news of Science and Technology that’s what I pay attention to and every week I put out two blogs one on AI and exponential Tech and one on Longevity if this is of interest to you and it’s available totally for free please join me subscribe at Dam andis.com ssubscribe that’s DM andis.com subscribe all right let’s go back to the episode all right let’s go to our next story here uh this is not a surprise so Sam mman is basically saying deep seek is State controlled and he calls for a ban on Chinese models so number one do you think it’s true number two is this you know open AI using the US government as sort of a uh competitive blocker how do you think about I think both are very true there’s no way I believe the
[00:07:00] Chinese government isn’t using deep seek in that way just like it’s very clear was using Tik Tok in that way it’s also a little Rich for Sam to be calling um IP violations when most of the data he trained open on was sucked out of places that they shouldn’t have gotten it but um uh and it’s defensive in that sense but there’s no question on the Chinese side in my opinion yeah you know we had on stage during our Patron day at the summit Al grayan who I have huge deep respect for um he was uh very senior at HTC that creates uh VR headsets uh and he’s written a number of successful books and you know his his point is listen rather than competing with China why don’t we collaborate you know and I would love to see a world in which we could collaborate because the greatest
[00:08:00] uh and this was something Eric Schmidt said during the FI Summit uh during a conclave said the greatest foe that we have is not China it is the Rogue state it is the individual who uses Advanced AI to try and do harm to others and I believe that so the question is how do we collaborate with China and Europe and other parts of the world the Middle East to make sure that AI is being used to maintain safety and that we’re actually looking to find those Rogue actors that are you know insane or just you know dystopian in their nature I I think we need you know a hundred years ago we had the Breton Woods conference um where after World War II they worked out and laid the uh the groundwork down for the UN the IMF the World Bank etc etc and we’ve had the most peaceful hundred years in the history of humanity right uh we had in the’ 70s the ailore GU lines to work out biotech safety and
[00:09:01] we’ve not had a major accident in biotech it might be a great idea to revisit and combine those two and have a global convening of countries dealing with AI so that we have a clear set of okay who’s how are we going to navigate this and let’s be open about everything because this affects all of humanity one area goes Rogue it’ll affect the whole world so this really does behoove us to operate in that way it’d be amazing if we could make something like that happen all right on the point you just made a second ago this comes out in Tech crunch open AI Google ask the US government to let them train on AI copyright content so here you go it’s like throw copyright out the window in order to win the race with China we need access to all the content whether it’s copyrighted or not I have two views on this a yes uh um makes sense um you’re saying you’re saying that the government should let them use all copyrighted content yes and I I have the a reason why why
[00:10:02] because copyright has been um uh misused for the last 5080 years it keeps getting extended by Disney to protect Mickey Mouse it’s called the Mickey Mouse act honestly because they’ve been extending copyright to protect the Disney characters for like freaking ever and so the the it’s grotesquely twisted from the original intent of have copyright for like say 15 or 20 years and then it should become public domain and it’s now an 80-year cycle or something absurd like that so it’s been badly um uh Twisted out of original proportion to protect corporate actors and so that should be one level of it on the other hand it’s very convenient for Google and opening at a want this uh the Big Challenge I think is we’re running out of data and as we run out of data we need synthetic data or access to the Deep Web or copyright content or something but I think they need to figure out how to compensate the content owners for this in some way shape or
[00:11:00] form I don’t know what that obvious model is well there is a solution and uh uh and Bill gross spoke about that on Tuesday morning I think you were out for that presentation but I saw the highlights of it I thought his I I thought his ideas were totally his con constructs are really good because it aligns incentives yeah and that I think is a really powerful model let mention what it is and full disclosure my Venture fund is an investor in it it’s called prata Ai and what he’s done is he’s gone and he’s created a model in which he gets a number of of content creators so I’ve got a number of books I’ve signed up for this he’s spoken to a a huge number of content creators and prata AI sucks in all of the data and then when it looks at an a large language model’s results it says okay the results are 38% from Time Magazine 24% from Bloomberg you know
[00:12:01] 0.00001% from DM Andis and then it apportions the money uh along those lines so you know vastly difficult but very possible and we have to remember that bill gross was the guy who came up with the AdWords adward effectively became AdWords it was Overture originally and the model that Google used to become a trillion dollar company yeah I think that’s a I think it’s a very directionally it’s exactly the right way to go right and there’s some bunfight over how much of the percentage should go in that model to the content creators Etc but if you structure something like that I think it makes it uh reasonably fair and what everybody’s looking for is a reasonably Fair playing field yeah and that would be that would be a nice thing I mean ultimately we’ve got these Mass mve companies that are
[00:13:01] pouring in do you remember what the figure we heard during the abundance Summit was of how much it’s like a billion dollars a day a billion dollars a day is going into AI it’s crazy it’s insane I mean honestly a billion dollars a day I would have never imagined it but do the do the mass yeah hundreds of billions of dollars per year and I think we’ll be reaching close to a trillion dollars a year soon enough um anyway here’s the next article so so what you know the abundance Summit this year we had a whole day uh or a significant portion of a day on longevity uh I didn’t see this otherwise I would have discussed it during that day but I found this fascinating so out of Stanford Medical School using AI The Faculty there came up and identified a peptide uh that produces the same type of weight loss as OIC without the side effects and and this is what I’ve been I’ve been saying we’re in the middle of a health span Revolution not because we
[00:14:03] have anything other than AI helping us understand how the body works and uh uh the umbrella here is that AI is going to spot things in ways that we could never see as human beings right and this is one small example you had another dozen examples at the summit of talking through this it’s incredible what we should see coming out of this new models that are very low cost that have ridiculous outcomes and benefits so this is incredibly exciting to see this type of thing occur and we’re going to see it in treating cancers we’re going to see in treating all all diseases everything I have a colleague Michael jansson and a friend of his has these his son has these weird seizures that nobody could figure out loaded up the blood test into into grock and the the gro said oh yeah you need to go to that that type of test you’ll figure it out it’s like unreal yeah yeah uh I I don’t want to disclose
[00:15:00] the details of it but one of our faculty members on stage this year who was part of our AI content uh his house burned down during the fire and it forced him to go to uh Palm Springs Palm Desert where he was living and he had had medical problems he had been tested left right and Center nobody knew what it was maybe was stress he goes to Palm Desert and uh he finds a new doctor there who says oh look you’ve got to look at it it’s it turns out it was multiple Myoma he then took all of the data Medical Data he had had from 3 months earlier before his house burned down he put it into one of the I think he’s using Sonet 3.7 from anthropic and it instantly pegged it said you have multiple Myoma I mean after three months of the doctor getting it wrong so yeah incredible thought I saw that piece it was so
[00:16:00] mind-boggling because as we apply AI to these things and it can spot things that human beings can’t see you should expect to see huge early diagnosis of all sorts of things I mean let’s consider that when you go to the doctor today you get the wrong diagnosis about 30% of the time anyway right and and for the poor doctors what hope is there in catching up with all the treatments conditions uh uh drugs Etc that’s coming out I remember um Daniel C saying every day there are several hundred cancer research papers published right so if you’re a cancer doctor you can’t read several hundred of these a day you need an AI to read them for you and see these are the five patients these apply to and go read those five I mean honestly if if you or someone in your family is ill the very first thing you should be doing is asking for your data uh putting it into the models and and getting getting additional second and third diagnoses just a on that I came across a startup
[00:17:00] that is aiming by the end of this year to release a completely free fully fledged AI doctor yeah that’s going to be nuts it’s going to happen so right now you know I’m huge believer and supporter and the chairman of Fountain life and one of the things that we do that I love is when we upload you it’s the most exhaustive uh upload of data ever it’s 200 gigabyt of data it’s your full genome all full body mrict everything knowable about you and all of that data then becomes resonant on your app on your phone with I think we’re using Claude 3.7 as well um so that you can quer your data uh one of the cool things I love is like okayy take a photo of the menu you’re eating you’re going to the restaurant and say given my genetics and my current blood biomarkers what on this menu should I eat or should I not eat I love that
[00:18:02] everybody Peter here if you’re enjoying this episode please help me get the message of abundance out to the world we’re truly living during the most extraordinary time ever in human history and I want to get this mindset out to everyone please subscribe and follow wherever you get your podcasts and turn on notifications so we can let you know when the next episode is being dropped all right back to our episode all right let’s go to this next one and it’s two articles backto back and really they are so important for us to discuss buddy both of us have kids um your son’s 13 my two boys are 13 so this is Estonia to roll out chat GPT for education for all secondary schools and the second article backto back here is Beijing to roll out AI courses for kids to boost uh sector growth in primary and second AR schools so we had this year at the at
[00:19:02] the abundance Summit a teen program for the first time um and the teens were amazing we had a dozen teens there they were brilliant I mean were you impressed by them uh ridiculous you know I did that late night meeting of Life session and they were sitting there nailing me with questions um you’ve got that wrong about the meeting of life this should be this way and I was like a you’re you still wet behind the ears come on but they’re incredible just unbelievable to see the depth of wisdom coming from this generation I mean honestly we should just um take all of our global politics Etc hand it over to 25 year olds or 20 year olds or teenagers they’ll figure it out yeah we just need to get out of the way and just don’t give them the button control of the of the of the football but in all honesty uh when I was having my session with the teens I asked okay there’s 12 of you here I think it was three or four uh girls and uh eight boys and I said how many of you
[00:20:03] are asked to use AI in the classroom and how many of you are told not to use and so all of them were being told not to use AI in their in their high school and here I see Beijing and Estonia saying no no we’re going to make AI a part of the primary education uh at least eight hours of AI uh uh to say primary and secondary students to enroll in at least 8 hours I assume that’s per week of AI uh during the year so I think it’s insane that our kids are not being properly schooled in how to use AI to uplevel yeah the content so the dominant conversation in education today is an immune system response from all the Legacy actors teachers unions whatever saying we should ban AI because you can’t learn properly etc etc I think
[00:21:02] what’s going to happen faster than anybody realizes is a Reckoning where if you’re not using Ai and everything to do with education you’re going to be left behind very fast and it’s going to break the uh immune system problem we have in education we’ve had for a very long time because God help you if you’re trying to update Academia right it’s a vicious vicious environment I am going tomorrow we moved our kids uh to a new school called qualia School of deeper learning and tomorrow I’m going to go and spend the entire day at the school um working with the kids in the classrooms and then meeting with the teachers then I’m meeting with them again on Friday and it’s really about how do you actually bring AI into the classroom and the realization I have is okay if let’s talk let’s say our kids are in middle school if you have middle school kids solving typical Middle School problem s if
[00:22:00] they’re given AI to solve those Middle School problems then they’re trivial and like you know of course you’re not you know it’s like writing becomes trivial math problems become trivial but what if instead you gave those middle school kids extremely difficult problems like come up with a brand new socio economic system or create a program that does this that and the other thing and then you said okay you normally don’t think you can solve this can you on your own but now here’s a bunch of AI tools go out there and complete this I mean it allows us to uplevel the challenges that our kids feel confident pursuing so I did an interesting experiment one of the you know I did my degree in theoretical physics and one in one course on relativity they had us rebuild Einstein’s theories from the bottom up and show the mathematical formalism behind it to understand it better Etc right and I took like it took like the whole year to figure it out okay I went
[00:23:02] back and looked at that again and I redid it with Einstein with an AI to say uh hey why is this relevant why is this relevant why is this relevant and if I had to redo it again I figured I could learn the whole thing again in about three days rather than the year yeah and I think this is the this is the potential that you’re pointing to here it’s unbelievable how much quickly we could accelerate our kids agreed all right here’s challeng let’s just point out the big challenge is of the regulatory side and getting that out of the way and changing that and God help us we need to do that like yesterday yeah so the question becomes how do the teachers unions feel confident in embracing this and making their job more fulfilling um so I’ve talked to them uh to the teachers quite extensively the individual teachers generally tend to get it but at a group level the unions freak out because uh you know when you say to them hey what the role of the teacher should go back
[00:24:01] to the way it used to be rather than giving endless lessons repeatedly uh be the guide from the side and help Mentor the kids and spend the time with the kids on the difficult problems they’re facing rather than just giving the stupid lesson every time right it is that whole switch classroom or flip classroom approach where you watch the lesson in the evening and do the homework collaboratively in class which is what real life is like and they can’t get their heads around it it’s a structural problem they just can’t cope with that just in the same way that doctors have a difficult time having AI in the diagnosis chamber but it’s going to ride around them so quickly I think they’ll be forced to adapt it’ll be one of those where you either adapt or you get uh trolled by the thrown by the wayside as we move very very quickly forward because the pace of change is not slowing down I I think about when Google came out and Library attendance probably fell through the floor right yeah and over time they got they got they became came to accept it um and
[00:25:00] then Li Librarians by the way in library science is one of the most important fields in the world today because just the the receive the kind of the retrieval of knowledge is really really powerful as a as a discipline all right here’s our next article at wired and this is Google’s Gemini robotics AI model reaches into the physical world and I love this uh this is the realization that if you think about robotics there are two sides of the equation there’s the physical robot and building that physical robot with all the parts and then there’s the AI model that controls it and I think part of the interesting progress here is Imagine building an AI software layer that enables you to interface with any physical system any robotic system this is huge because you know the real Holy Grail is movement in the physical world I remember one of our Singularity University faculty saying the really only thing the reason you need brain means is to move around in the physical
[00:26:00] world right and at the end of the day most of these AI models yeah they’re doing cool stuff writing code etc etc but at some point that code reaches the physical world through finances or through health care or through whatever and I think once you put that layer in allowing AI to interface with robotics into the physical world in a generalized way in the EXO book we’d call it interfaces right now you have incredible potential because you can put so much functionality into that layer and the end use of it becomes much more trivial to program so this is massive yeah agreed there are a few theories that say AI will become conscious when it is materialized in the physical world yes yeah in fact it turns out that that’s the predominant Theory Of Consciousness is to understand and adapt to the physical environment and Consciousness allows us a faster feedback loop because we have have cognitive processes that can be brought to play there’s one thing
[00:27:01] I really loved about this particular article Peter is is that bit at the bottom they have no plans for Commerce right I really love some of these folks like meta doing open sourcing their llms and Google kind of going we’re doing this because we just think it’s important for the world I think that’s so great that they’re doing stuff like this it just uplifts everybody and everybody wins when you do stuff like this if this kind of thinking could reach our politics we’d be really really great shape yeah just a a quick note Google was our major sponsor at the at abundance 2025 uh underwriting the Google tech Hub through Google Cloud a lot of super cool stuff and I’ll get into that in a little bit later with you so I found this next article fascinating so Ilia s uh creates startup uh and it’s focused on super intelligence and he in talks at the beginning talk about a founding round to
[00:28:01] raise $2 billion at a $30 billion valuation why did we choose to use the term super intelligence the reason is that super intelligence is meant to convey something that’s not just like an AGI the AGI we said well you have something kind of like a person kind of like a coworker super intelligence is meant to convey something far more capable than that when you have such a capability it’s like can we even imagine how how it will be but without question it’s going to be unbelievably powerful it could be used to solve incomprehensibly hard problems if it is used well if we navigate the challenges that super intelligence POS poses we could we could radically improve the quality of life but the power of super intelligence is so vast wow so you know the theme of of uh the abundance 360 Summit next year is is
[00:29:00] super intelligence Unleashed I have to get Ilia to be our opening speaker that’ll be my goal okay can I get on my favorite here get on it what the hell do we mean by super intelligence we have no idea what artificial general intelligence is can we please spend some time defining these terms before we start throwing them out like bathat it’s first that’ll be my first question for Ilia yeah what would like please define it now you know the there’s I I go you know we have emotional intelligence and spatial intelligence and visual and spiritual intelligence we if anybody that’s a leader is bringing a lot of that to Bear when they make decisions and choices so what the freak do we mean when we mean Super intelligence and I you know I’ve yet I’ve seen so many different definitions of just AGI that I really kind of struggling with this so um what are we exactly talking about here anyway but having having said all that right fantastic all power to him I love the
[00:30:01] fact that he’s making safety a key part of this I don’t know how he’s going to do it uh because you have a super intelligence we kind of toast anyway if the if they’re going down that path but but go go go and amazing that you can get a startup valuation like that it was about 13 years ago I had my two kids my two boys and I remember at that moment in time I made a decision to double down on my health uh without question I wanted to see their kids their grandkids and really you know during this extraordinary time where the space Frontier and Ai and crypto is all exploding it was like the most exciting time ever to be alive and I made a decision to double down on my health and I’ve done that in three key areas the first is going every year for a fountain upload you know Fountain is one of the most advanced Diagnostics and Therapeutics companies I go there upload myself digitize myself about 200 gigabytes of data that the AI system is
[00:31:01] able to look at to catch disease at Inception you know look for any cardiovascular any cancer any neurod degenerative disease any metabolic disease these things are all going on all the time and you can prevent them if you can find them at Inception so super important so Fountain is one of my keys I make that available to the CEOs of all my companies my family members cuz you know health is a new wealth uh but beyond that uh we are a collection of 40 trillion human cells and about another 100 trillion bacterial cells fungi viri and we you know don’t understand how that impacts us and so I use a company and a product called viome and viome uh has a technology called metatranscriptomics it was actually developed uh in New Mexico at the same place where the nuclear bomb was developed as a biod defense weapon and their techn ology is able to help you
[00:32:00] understand what’s going on in your body to understand which bacteria are producing which proteins and as a consequence of that what foods are your superfoods that are best for you to eat or what foods should you avoid right what’s going on in your oral microbiome so I use their testing to understand my Foods understand my medicines understand my supplements and viome really helps me understand from a biological and data standpoint what’s best for me and then finally you know feeling good being intelligent moving well is critical but looking good when you look yourself in the mirror saying you know I feel great about life is so important right and so a product I use every day twice a day is called one skin developed by four incredible PhD women that found this 10 amino acid peptide it’s able to zap scile cells in your skin and really help you stay youthful in your look and
[00:33:01] appearance so for me these are three Technologies I love and I use all the time uh I’ll have my team linked to those in the show notes down below please check them out anyway I hope you enjoyed that now back to the episode oh yeah I mean the startup valuation so uh we’ve seen a number of companies that go from like literally first outside financing round in the multiple billion yes yes I was talking to somebody about this and they were like well that’s just a ridiculous valuation da d d da I’m struggling to raise money for my startup at this valuation Etc and so that’s just and I said well would you rather be him or you like you’d rather there uh so here’s the question right AGI again very fuzzy definition but it sort of sounds like an AI that can do as good as the best human in every possible
[00:34:01] field so an AI that is the best physician and the best mathematician and the best uh cook and the best whatever that’s sort of the blurry line that we call AGI today now digital super intelligence in my definition is just following the law of accelerating returns that says okay 10 doublings later you’re a thousand times better and that’s super intelligent that’s great what would what would it do I mean um um I I think the area where I would um point it would be two areas that I would like to kind of get one is you know figure out deep problems like the wave particle duality of light right and solve some of the grand unification theories in physics that we’ve nobody’s been able to crack yet Etc right that’s one the second would be uh figure out the right
[00:35:02] um model for civilization to follow and figure out a way for getting the entirety of humanity to follow that right governance model uh and R around all the political we have going on today so those would be two areas I would assign to an ASI so I think that is the point solve problems that have been unsolvable by Humanity to date okay whatever that might be double human lifespan you knowed field theories understanding what dark matter is you know get us through our next dilemmas yeah I mean that that would be how can I reach into a parallel universe and go down that path instead of this path would be what I would ask sure I think that sounds like a perfect definition reaching into parallel universes I’ll make sure we put that one forward buddy next one open AI employee on the future of the the web so here let me read this quote um it’s 2025 and most content is
[00:36:03] still written for humans instead of llms 99.9% of web attention is about to be llm attention not human attention so um how does he pronounce his name Andre Andre karpathy Andre so Andre’s point is listen we’ve been building the web for us meat saacks as carbon based life forms and going forward the value of the web is going to be to feed the large language models we have to restructure how we write it fascinating thought absolutely fascinating I think there’s a huge uh layer to be built here I put this in the category of uh AI like electricity it just becomes this invisible layer that just is part of everything um and this is one of those examples where the reality is a human being can’t go through many pages on the web anyway so you want it pass this whole thing over to an AI and let it
[00:37:00] navigate it and give you the more relevant pieces for you and so I think this is super exciting to see if that we can make this happen I mean I think the point is an important one um and I’m I’m surprised we haven’t heard this much before but it’s it’s probably very true um let’s uh let’s go into some of the conversations that came out of the Abundant Summit I think there are some fun ones uh Kathy Wood at ARK invest was giving us her 2025 report um and uh I think just huge believer in all things exponential uh in particular she was focused on humanoid robots and uh you know Robo taxis uh with the you know making the note that Tesla’s cyber cab should be up and operating by this summer in Texas and soon thereafter LA and then hopefully Nationwide H uh we had a great session on investing
[00:38:02] in AI with uh an MAA who heads AI investing from andr and harwitz and Dave blundon who is my partner in exponential Ventures and ra L uh kubi uh who was interviewing them one of the things I found fascinating was Dave talking about two key points one was it turns out MIT is the number one AI school on the planet cons the CC computer science AI lab has you know more graduates more compute than any other location yes and then it’s producing more unicorn startups than any other university more than so number one is MIT and unicorn startups number two is USC which shocked everybody and number three is Stanford the the other other thing that he mentioned was he showed a graph of the
[00:39:02] average age for an entrepreneur starting an AI company uh in particular out of MIT and the bell curb used to peak in the 30s now it’s moved to early 20s like 20 through 23 that’s amazing yeah about that I I I saw the same thing by the way in the Bitcoin blockchain world all the founders are in the early 20s like if you’re over 25 there’s some bylaw that you have to be under 25 to work on blockchain it’s written somewhere and I think we’re seeing the same thing the Paradigm shifts are so big that anybody over a certain age can’t get their heads around it they’re not native to it yeah I mean that’s the part not native but the other part is so I think the number is like 75% of incoming MIT freshmen want to start a company before they graduate and now the ability the ability to find a great part partner and come up with an idea and actually test the idea
[00:40:02] and launch it inside of a year or two yeah that’s crazy so we had uh so out of exponential Ventures uh out of MIT two companies went from zero to2 billion valuations in two years that’s insane incredible I think we’re going to see a lot of that as we kind of decimate the real world or the old world with AI the creative destruction is going to be incredible the uh there’s one more point that they they made that I think was worth pointing out that if you’re a big challenge is when do you invest in Ai and they made the point that you really need to just get into it and invest in it because there the only way you’re going to keep track of tabs of what’s going on and I thought that was a really important point that we should all take account of uh you need to get into it quickly when we advise companies the big question is always when do you tap into some technology or not and the mission the minute it’s Mission critical you should be in it right away so that you’re learning and not being left
[00:41:00] behind yeah your your mind goes your attention goes where your money goes great Point yeah Max hodak came on stage uh I love Max uh he’s the CEO of science uh He is building what I consider the most extraordinary BCI company out there uh he was the co-founder and the president neuralink with Elon um and it’s uh uh quite a journey he went to Elon University on neuralink he broke away and started science and he’s got something called a biohybrid neural interface which I love so let me take a second to dissect this literally so when you put a neuralink device into your neocortex you’re putting like a th000 to 2,000 very fine filaments into the neocortex so that these filaments can read and write onto neurons but these filaments even as thin as they are are
[00:42:00] destroying you know millions of neurons when you poke them into the brain right that’s a problem and then there’s a limited number do you I don’t know if you remember do you remember the bit rate at which the brain communicates with the outside world it’s like 10 or 20 or something very yeah it’s in like the 10 to 40 bits per second bits uh no no uh B rate yeah bits bits per second so uh which seems like compared to you know gigabits and and pedabytes that were were going out but what he’s built and he’s demonstrated animal models and we’ll be going into primates later this year and humans hopefully a couple years after that is imagine having a physical computer circuitry with millions of micro wells and in those Wells are nutrients in which you place neural stem cells and the neural stem cells are interfacing with the electronics on this
[00:43:00] on this piece of material and then the neural stem cells and those microw Welles are placed on the surface of the brain and the neural stem cells grow their exons and dendrites into the brain like Roots into the soil and they don’t kill any neurons but you got millions of these yeah growing into the brain and connecting and forming you know forming appropriate neural connection and it’s a brand new strategy and approach to BCI yes I I I find this fascinating I’ve been saying for a long time that you know one of the challenges is we don’t understand how the brain works right um 100 billion cells all true neurons all operating and each of them has like hundreds of connections 10,000 connections to the nearest neuron it’s like totally the numbers go totally insane uh but you don’t have to understand it as long as you can interface effectively to it uh and that
[00:44:02] becomes really powerful can I can I tell you a fun little story of course um back in 2010 L lamur used to run this event called L web okay in like the big Web Conference in in Europe and he said to me hey slim come and give a talk via your learnings and Singularity on whatever you want so I thought huh Neuroscience so I went and interviewed all of our Neuroscience Folks at Singularity University Chris dearm a bunch of others and I tried to get a common definition of the brain okay and the best common agreed the only agreed common definition I should get to was something like a fractal chaotic um um um fractal chaotic information processing system that may or may not generate Consciousness you’re like really that’s that’s what you got for me um it really blew and they said we have no idea why any of this stuff we have no idea how why we sleep still after all these decades God right so but I think interfacing with it like Max’s figuring out how to do will give unbelievable
[00:45:02] potential because the brain will figure out how to optimize the connections and use the Computing capabilities it’ll figure it out we don’t have to do that for it and now things become really really interesting yeah one last point on this I remember one of Ray Kell’s predictions was that we would have high bandwidth brain computer interface by 2033 and I was always like you know Rey you’ve been right on so many things on this one I just don’t believe you I don’t see the technology there you know we’ve got eight bits per second 30 bits per second how do I get high Bann with BCI and then I met Max um and then boom and then boom it’s one of those you just shake your fist at the at the pressence that Ry has he I don’t think he’s a human being I think he’s an avatar from a different dimension coming into kind of poke us and and jiggle us so that we kind of stay on the right path all right next up we had uh Joshua Sue from haen who is up there
[00:46:02] and uh hen is an extraordinary company uh creating High Fidelity avatars and visual and voice models uh it was amazing we they were in our Google tech Hub and they gave everybody there a chance to image themselves you go into the studio for two minutes the data will be collected and all of a sudden you would have this visual representation of yourself do you remember how many languages your Haan Avatar can can speak it was like a dozens instantly no no it was like it was like a couple of hundred languages 17 languages like that that’s crazy I’m actually really looking I’ve waited for a while to try and create an AI uh twin um I feel that now is the right time to do it because uh having some an AI of me that can remember all of the things I’ve ever said and analyze everything the way I’ve done it over decades is going to be so much smarter
[00:47:00] than the real me that you just want to go let that thing go do pres presentations at conferences it’s going to be amazing I’ve been waiting till the right time and I’m I’m hoping this is now actually yeah it it is I remember a couple of points here about a year ago with Steve Brown who’s been my chief AI officer supporting me at PhD Ventures uh we created Peter bot yeah uploaded all of my content there’s actually a you did a whole podcast episode of Peter bot and I was like so impressed by Peter bot I mean it was much more eloquent remembered everything was able to make much more than I could uh so that was that was fun and this year what we did at the abundance Summit and I I should probably do a podcast was with Peter at 120 years old so we created a version of me 120 years old so I’m 63 now it say 57 years into into the future and I interviewed
[00:48:00] this version of Peter about how do we get through the singularity what do you do to get to longevity escape velocity you know is crypto I I I still love I asked I asked what is crypto at in in the year whatever 57 years from now is um and uh and it said it’s uh running at $5 million in $225 at Bitcoins that’s that’s my peter bot’s prediction boom and uh I said is the dollar still a thing he said it’s kind of like a novelty but we’ve definitely gone to a a a crypto default currency across the world yeah so that was fun for sure can I make a quick point about that of course we have all grown up everybody that’s over say 25 has grown up with the only major currency we’ve ever known to be the US dollar right so everything is in terms of how much dollars does it cost to do something that’s the unit of account for the last five generations right whereas if you go hang out in these nft Discord Channels with all
[00:49:00] these young pups who are trading nfts you never ever ever ever ever hear the word US dollar you only ever hear ethereum and now Bitcoin on with the ordinals world so this is a generation growing up where the US dollar is not the dominant unit of account it’s going to be very easy for them to flip over to a different model yeah uh let’s go to the Moga dot of it all but before I do that by the way uh we released the new abundance logo uh that that a like gold carrot what do you think of it I like the rocket ship flavor to it yeah I thought that was great well what I what I told everybody was that carrot you know in the phrase that you and I put forward in the very first year of of singular University was 10 to the 9th plus and that upward carrot is the exponent portion oh excellent yes love it beautiful so I
[00:50:00] love that and our new our new logo so mad do comes on stage I love Mo we producing a documentary called scary smart uh together uh uh Kristen myself Mo co-funded this and it’s Atlantic production is producing it and mo is interviewing people around the world about this and mo got very emotional on stage and we’ve done some podcasts with him on on the moonshots channel here but MO is very concerned about dystopia on the way to abundance he thinks will finally reach an extraordinary world of abundance but that for the next 5 to 12 years we’re going to have a period of uh of dystopian concerns that we need to be forewarned about what do you think about that I think he’s right um for those who haven’t gone and listened to it the podcast that Peter and I with did with Mo a few weeks ago was off the hook uh the amount of wisdom he dropped and that was incredible I think that’s exactly right with the I would put the framing
[00:51:01] that it’s always darkest before the dawn right you always have a period of huge chaos before you get to a period of stability we’ve seen that in World War I World War II etc etc and unfortunately we’re coming into that period now where there’s extraordinary volatility and Anything Could Happen one of the uh geopolitical folks that I I kind of pay a lot of attention to said with the US pulling away way every country in the world will try and go for nuclear weapons to as a defensive stance and that’s just a bad outcome with the potential outcome with so many too many it’s in too many hands and and bad things could happen as things H go down that way um the only good news is the point that Warfare is now being fought largely with drones and not by human beings and so that’s something good in that level but it’s it’s going to be a scary decade or two one of the things that I put forward that feels very real to me is I said we are currently holding
[00:52:02] two Futures in superp position right from a Scher cat point of view one future in which AI has dystopian qualities and it has the potential to threaten us the other one in which it is one of the greatest stabilizing forces that we have in this dig super intelligence I I call it Star Trek versus Mad Max yeah and we need to do a lot lot of a lot of that future is determined by what we believe and how we act so can I throw out two ideas here yeah of course people often ask me uh you know why am I so positive about the world and optimistic about the world and I think there’s two comments one is uh from Rey who said that technology is a major driver of progress in the world and frankly it might be the only major driver of progress we’ve ever seen right and now that we have a dozen Technologies and I think one of the most profound things that we saw at abundance the summit this year was just the
[00:53:01] unbelievable real convergence of all these Technologies into new breakthrough applications and domains that are being created the second is that as anything becomes more intelligent it tends to become wiser and more benevolent and we’ve never seen the alternative and so that gives you encouragement that as AI evolves it should become wiser and smarter and go wow these human beings are nutty let’s just figure out ways of protecting themselves from themselves while we move them along to their next level in the same way we would protect a natural species that doesn’t know it’s killing itself off so let’s just protect its environment for it um and so those are the kinds of things I’m encouraged by as we hurdle into this very volatile couple of decades yeah uh we had a bunch of other fascinating speakers we had the team from Google uh uh alphabets company called Wing that does drone deliveries and we actually have had Wing delivering stuff to everybody from the sky it was
[00:54:01] amazing uh and uh you know just in time I I am I’ve got two thoughts about that one is the fact that this is kind of standard in China today you can order coffees and have a drone delivered to you Etc we need to get our regulatory act in order very very fast we’re so behind on that aspect of it but the sheer uh granularity of the capabil and the speed is unbelievable I’m so excited by this because it it’ll totally change life for the better if you can do stuff like that especially in emergency situations where you have to get a defibrillator somewhere because somebody’s having a heart attack the the potential here is unbelievable you know I love it and it’s in Dallas right now can’t wait for it to become available and the accuracy with which they can deliver is extraordinary one of the things that we did uh for every day at the end of every day we upload all the content from the summit into into deep
[00:55:00] research and then into notebook LM and we created a podcast the next morning which I found fascinating yeah did you get a chance to um to uh to play with Google’s new video teleconferencing capability video teleconferencing no so uh they built and they demonstrated at the summit something called Starline which you sit in a room you’ve got got a video screen in front of you and someone else is in a different room other side of the country wherever it might be with a video screen and the camera is there I kid you not it gives you this 3D imagery like the person is sitting in front of you like you reach out you know in their demo they’ll hand you an apple and it feels like the Apple’s like a few inches in front of you and I brought my kids in there and they said it was the by far the coolest demonstration in the entire Google tech Hub so that was fun Starline
[00:56:01] I got to go check this out yeah and they’re going to be commercializing it uh by the end of this year so this is the new Telecom a new version if you would a version of Zoom that doesn’t feel like a flat screen in front of you yeah you know we had a we had a session on uh on you know longevity which was amazing we had sessions on uh how to upload your brain into the cloud Travis colanic was there for our moonshots but we ended the summit on Palmer lucky pommer was with us two years ago such a hit and he did not disappoint again this year what do you think of Palmer’s closing presentation I thought first of all the amount of wisdom uh and brashness coming at the same time right you don’t often get you often get people with a lot of brashness and and during du but not not a lot of wisdom and he’s got freaking both of them it’s really annoying in a
[00:57:00] good way um I just love the fact that he was like yeah I’m going to do this just to take revenge out on all the people that thought I would never make it and call count out down to me um I’m I’m just really really glad he’s on our side would be one thing um that was one I really was I really loved the fact that they’ve been in Ukraine from day one helping out because it’s really devastating to see what the ukrainians are going through and God help us they need all the help they can get so that was really fantastic um I thought the the one thing that I thought was really awesome was the way when this whole fall your dream stuff is um figure out where you can make the most impact and shut up and just go do that this dream stuff is will just get you in trouble every time I thought that was such a great uh kind of Dimension to add to what we always talk about right yeah so I thought it was great a couple of things uh one of the things that I found fascinating I said pommer it’s pretty crazy that you had started you had started Oculus basically in your garage
[00:58:02] and then a few years in Zuckerberg offers you the ability to sell it for a billion dollars and you turn them down that’s right he said no I like honestly how you turn there’s a word for that called HSPA HSPA yes and then a good Greek term and then he uh and then he takes like 2.2 2.3 billion doar and I and I said then he goes but that wasn’t it that wasn’t the reason I sold for that amount of money the reason I sold for that amount of money was that uh Zuck promised me that he would spend a billion dollars a year developing the technology for the next 10 years for 10 years yeah and and when I did the calculus I could either try and do the work on my own and could I ever get10 billion of R&D Budget on my own and still have some control or and he said that was it I sold it for that reason yeah and then he got thrown out and then when when Facebook changed her name to meta he invested way back into meta
[00:59:01] again just committed to this technology that’s that see so all this stuff about figure out where you that that’s his that’s I think feel he counterpoints his own thing because that was his dream was to figure out the metaverse ETC the part that I also loved when he added was that they said they were going to spend a billion year but they ended up spending 60 billion oh my God so that’s like crazy amazing I mean it the metaverse will take longer to get get there than just because of the feature footprint of the hardware but it’s going to be amazing when it does and it’ll open up whole new worlds literally yeah we’ll be releasing the podcast with Palmer on the moonshots channel here so I don’t want to ruin it for folks but it was most definitely one of the most fascinating conversations he does not disappoint yeah all right brother listen thank you for uh Breaking Free on a Saturday to record this episode of WTF just happened this week in tech I love you I care about you uh and can’t wait to see you again very soon I have to tell you massive congratulations what was for
[01:00:01] what was the best conference anybody’s ever been to so for folks listening figure out a way scrape together whatever you can change your plans get to next year’s abundance of yeah and if you can’t if you can’t come physically uh our exponential Mastery Program is a chance to uh join via live stream as well as a chance to get all of the selem and I and others recorded got 17 hours of training content so that all of the stuff we discuss at these Summits make sense to you anyway have a beautiful weekend brother I’ll see you same to you big hug to the family thanks you too everybody thanks for listening to moonshots you know this is the content I love sharing with the world every week I put out two blogs a lot of it from the content here but these are my personal journals the things that I’m learning the conversations I’m having about a about longevity about the important technology transforming all of our
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