hey buddy before we jump into the tech stuff that happened this past week I I have a question for you what are your top five predictions hopes whatever you want for the new the new white house administration fine that’s luck can I give you three you can give me three okay I mean if you’re really smart you’d give me five I’m not that smart Okay so number one would be I think there’s the opportunity the Chinese economy is in a bit of a mess and they yet they want Taiwan I think he strikes a grand bargain to allow trade and balance the trade better um and give them Taiwan uh over a period of time and um navigate that tension and have it dissolve by creating a master deal I think he does the same in Russia and Ukraine and so I think that’ll There’s an opportunity and my prediction is that they use their saber rattling capability to change these political conflicts because put them in history books uh as
[00:01:03] a changing the global order so that’s number one number two would be a giant game of Risk like the board game where you’re te that’s right right and what’s the oldest one never do a land war in Asia if you ever played Risk that’s true the last place you go you never do so so like cut a deal um uh the second one would be the opportunity for crypto to change the game in a bunch of areas I would love I think I would love to I would predict he will allow crypto to the level of having a Ubi type scheme for crypto that could benefit the entire population and be a beacon to the rest of the world as to where this goes Universal based income yeah and the trick is how do you give people enough money to survive but not be happy because then it really works otherwise you end up at socialism and the whole thing collapses if you give people too much money my third one is that given the disaster in LA and the need to rebuild that uh the Trump Administration comes up with a a housing code hack that allows people to build temporary
[00:02:01] structures on their properties so that they can live on their own property while they rebuild a main house or or neighbor’s house they can live in and an ability to have have a temporary uh housing code that lasts like a year or two that you can at least get something up and going very very quickly and that would completely change the game for for LA and also what’s happening in North Carolina and the next ones to follow all right uh I’m going to give you five because that’s what I asked for originally okay you can still come back with with a few more sure so uh I think Trump is going to do stuff which is great for America and great for him um so I think not in that order so being the president that put humans back on the moon that’s easy we’re going to see uh Humanity on the moon in a couple years I do think he’s going to make a massive push given the fact that elon’s in the white house too uh to put humans on Mars you know boots on Mars I said they’re going to be you
[00:03:00] Optimus robots on Mars but I think we’re going to see a massive increase in the space program uh as part of this uh the second thing I think we’re going to see is a uh a huge deregulation in the Biotech Industry um biotech has been one of the most regulated Industries it crushed the biotech financial markets over the last four years um and you know a lot of folks I know need to leave the us to go get experimental treatments um or get stem cells I think we’re going to change that at the same time that we we’re deregulating biotech I think we’re going to massively uh reregulate Foods so I think with Bobby Kennedy and uh and head of Health and Human Services great I I think we’re going to stop uh the insanity which is our food system right now at least I hope we do I mean here’s a to finally uh you know do
[00:04:03] what’s right for our health I mean I looked at the numbers uh we something like 74th in the world in life expectancy and like 73rd in health span expectancy and number one in expenditures on food and and this is a result I’m sorry never one on expenditures on health yeah 70% of the population is overweight or obese yeah it’s crazy crazy and it’s not because we just got hungry all of a sudden it’s because the food the that we’re feeding our kids and ourselves so I think uh we’re going to regulate foods and change this uh dramatically make America healthy again I think that’s going to be the Mantra I think we’re going to do that uh the next thing uh I think is we’re going to see a massive push for energy uh Independence we’ll talk about this later but I think we’ll see the White House basically open the
[00:05:00] floodgates reducing regulation and red tape enabling hopefully uh you know mostly solar and fision plants I think we’re going to have unfortunately a fair share of coal plants as well um but we need to double the energy productivity of this country for sure so energy at all costs I think is going to be one of the the Hallmarks to this white house um I hope given Sachs and the AI Tech bro posi in there we’re going to use AI to uh evaluate all the policies that we’re running um and how do we make regulation more efficient we’ll talk about this a little bit later in the episode as well you know right now if you you know whatever industry you’re in you got 5,000 regulations you got to go through uh enough lawyers and and paperwork there’s got to be some way for AI to make it simplified and still safe
[00:06:03] um so I think for me those are them I think will become a crypto first country I think that ultimately uh we will Embrace crypto and Bitcoin in a massive fashion over these next four years uh and you know we’ll see if the dollar is going to stand 30 40 years from now but I guarante you Bitcoin will and if we can make that part of our national reserves uh so much the better I like all of them I hope they all come true those are awesome uh this has been an insane opening to 2025 uh in the technology realm we just had the inauguration with all of the tech besties in the front row you know we’re talking Elon Musk and Mark Andre and Sam Alman I wonder if Sam and Elon were arm wrestling while they were sitting there watching the inauguration occur and this has got to be one of the most uh I don’t know Tech forward administrations and
[00:07:03] ecosystem that we’ve seen uh and I have a lot of anticipation you know putting aside all kinds of other issues that everybody has uh we have lit the fuse and we’re on an exponential Rocket Ride do you agree uh 100% And and you know if you go to our old Mantra which is that technology is a major driver of progress in the world and as race as it might be the only driver major driver of progress then having it be a tech forward thing with policies and Regulatory uh chasing with the tech breakthroughs is the right way to do it and I’m I’m excited by what will come from this yeah I have a lot of topics want to cover here today uh give folks an overview we’re going to jump into space exploration I’ve got the two of the billionaires battling it out so excited about that we’ll talk about AI Nvidia CES 2025 we Bitcoin uh some interesting use on the
[00:08:02] Bitcoin world and humanoid robots and a few other topics uh you ready slam I’m ready all right uh hopefully your entire EXO Community is watching I know my abundance Community is all plugged in and uh we’re about to light the fuse on on exponential abundance all right space exploration I I woke up and told my kids first thing in the morning hey guys today is the seventh flight of Starship they said that’s nice Dad I’m playing my M my Minecraft games I said no no no you got to understand this is Starship it’s a seventh flight uh so did you watch it this this week I didn’t but I saw what happened I’m going to show two video clips here to kick it off now I am a space cadet I’m a treky uh the Apollo generation for sure and the first one makes my heart sing this is the return turn of the booster the largest
[00:09:02] structure ever sent into orbit uh coming back to land on the mazilla Chopsticks let’s take a quick [Music] look so I don’t know about you but this is poetry in motion uh this is the combination the convergence of AI and sensors and Material Sciences and compute uh I I get goosebumps every time I see it’s it’s got to be one of the biggest breakthroughs in the history of mankind it is one of the greatest engineering Feats uh of this young this young century and of course you’re watching this I have the kids there they’re like yeah that’s amazing super cool so okay now Starship is going to orbit and we’re going to see if it can land as well and of course the entire data flow from Starship which is the upper stage which is supposed to go around the planet come back land uh goes
[00:10:01] offline and what we learn the reason it went offline is basically get a picture good it’s about to fall on top of us what is it it’s Starship coming back in parts and pieces I guess it was a fuel leak and uh fuel plus spark plus ignition doesn’t look good on star ships did you uh did you watch that happen I I’m not live but I watched the videos of it and you know it’s it’s a space travel and the the level amount of fuel the the the the success criteria is so so extreme right everything has to go exactly right and if anything goes slightly wrong it goes catastrophically wrong right it’s pretty binary so it’s kind of a miracle it’s expected it’s sad when it happens but this is the this is the the the domain luckily nobody on board of course unmanned vehicle this is
[00:11:01] testing all the way uh you have to remember that we saw failures with Falcon 9 in fact going back to when Elon started uh SpaceX the first three flights of Falcon 1 failed before they had their fourth success and then we had failures on the Falcon 9 but Falcon 9 has launched and landed repeatedly over and over and over again to be the most successful vehicle ever built across all countries across all time uh I love his his tweet he said success is uncertain but entertainment is guaranteed and that’s a mindset of a of an entrepreneur who’s got his together and is funding you know SpaceX had just completed another massive financing round uh to get uh starlink fully deployed and get Starship built the thing that was amazing was that within 12 hours it wasn’t just Starship going
[00:12:00] to uh to space there’s also blue origin so um you know I’ve known Jeff since College days uh I had started a group called students for the exploration and development of space SS yeah SS a young space cadet and uh it became it started MIT where I was and then we grew up to a national International Organization and Jeff was the president at the Princeton chapter uh and I remember I met him in a coffee shop after he had started uh after he started uh not Starbucks after he had started Amazon I’m like Jeff what’s this Amazon thing I thought you were just in space and he said yeah I’m going to make my money on Amazon and I’ll spend it in space well he’s been true to his word um blue origin was founded in 2000 I think I think that SpaceX was founded around 2001 uh Jeff had been a space Enthusiast
[00:13:03] uh from his college days he was at Princeton where Gerard K O’Neal was and they they you know launched the new Shepherd their suborbital vehicle and new Glenn which started in 2013 uh and so this has been a overnight success after 12 years of hard work and here let’s watch the launch of the new Glenn vehicle one second never gets old so what I find fascinating is these two billionaires you know amongst the world’s top 10
[00:14:01] wealthiest um who transformed entire Industries building space companies now both of them enamored by space early on you know uh Jeff’s vision is going to the moon and then building what are called O’Neal colonies which are not on Mars not on the moon they’re free floating large colonies that can hold um initially tens of thousands and eventually millions of people that are orbiting the Sun or co-orbiting with the Earth and of course Elon wants to go to Mars and you know Jeff’s ready to spend a billion dollars a year uh SpaceX is profitable which is incredible and hopefully blue origin will be it used to be was Lockheed Martin and Boeing as the launch providers and of course they were supported held up by the defense department but I think think we’re going to see SpaceX and blue origin suck the
[00:15:02] oxygen out of the atmosphere for most of the launch providers it goes to the democratization uh aspect where anybody can take a crack at it and now we’re going to see a thousand flowers bloom in this it’s going to be incredible yeah I mean we’re talking about bringing the price per kilogram per pound down 100 fold it’s going to spark an entire new generation of new space economies uh I still believe that you know mining asteroids carbonous condres to get liquid oxygen and hydrogen in Earth orbit so you can refuel once you get to space or metallic condres so you can mine Platinum idium osmium um Palladium in space and use that back down in the ground um everything you’ve ever held of value on earth metals minerals energy real estate is in near infinite quantities and Bas so it’s going to get
[00:16:00] pretty interesting pretty quick H uh I have two quick comments please one for me the primary opportunity to back up civilization is back up the biosphere yeah sure is the most interesting and important part because we we any asteroid is an existential threat to everything and and the second for me is always this date uh um October 31st 2001 um um and that was the date that the first astronauts lifted off for the International Space Station and since then we’ve always had at least one human being off Planet yeah and I just I just like it’s like the first molecules bubbling off this thing and I just find that really really haunting um really amazing you know it’s still Brutal by the way uh that it takes so much energy to get off the planet you know one of
[00:17:00] the things I find fascinating in this all Fields conspiratorial is if if gravity was just a little bit more if the Earth was just a little bit larger you know we wouldn’t be able to get ourselves off the planet or if we were just a little bit smaller it would be so much easier to get off the planet we’re just at that that level like in the video game where you have to struggle to get there not by accident do we call it a Goldilocks planet right it’s it’s this is where the this is where the simulation stuff comes in because the conditions on earth and the the the constants in the universe is so finely balanced oh it’s amazing that that it’s it’s like wait yeah so I I I’m a I’m a True Believer we are living in an nth generation simulation but let’s not jump into that now no I’ll tell you I did something so first of all I’ve been I’ve been enjoying the latest large language models and every time someone says well there’s this chain of reasoning large
[00:18:00] language model I don’t know if you have a your favorite test to give that large language model for it to do something do you I I don’t because I I want to I’m waiting for um very practical use cases like like the the Steve wnc’s coffee coffee machine thing for AGI which is says to a robot or in AGI make me a coffee and it does all the stuff measures that I grind through beans and and knows enough has enough intelligence to do that task end to end right and there’s there’s several tests for AGI that’s considered to be one of them and I’m waiting for the interaction with the physical uh reality of spa of time and space where things get very interesting because intelligence is really needed to manage our physical environments and adapt to the physical environment that’s where I think it’ll really shine as we build llms into human order robots and other robots well I was taking this out a different path I once did a uh a little you know mental experiment of
[00:19:03] how much energy or how much would it cost you to winch you and your spacit to orbit and to an orbital velocity so if you weigh 100 kg and your space suit weighed 150 kg let’s round things up uh and you had this giant winch that could efficiently winch you to 200 km altitude then accelerate you to orbital speed and you could buy the electrical energy off of the plug how much would it cost you to get you and your space suit to orbit have you ever done that have ever asked you that question before you haven’t and it’s a very Peter style question and what was the answer well I plugged this I I I I did this manually and then I plugged it into a large language model which you know sort of uh the Gemini 1.5 pro version that does logical cont truck steps uh and it will say okay here’s
[00:20:02] your here’s your potential energy here’s your kinetic energy if you buy it Off the Grid at you know 20 cents a kilowatt hour it’s like 150 bucks to go to orbit so what I mean by you know all of this energy these you know hundreds of thousands of of uh pounds of thrust uh in these engines um it very grossly inefficient yeah compared to what someday we might have anyway but still thank you Elon thank you Jeff I don’t have to worry about opening up space I spent 30 years there I hand that mantle to you you’re doing an amazing job so grateful for all of that it’s so exciting to watch this it’s just incredible yeah all right did you see the movie Oppenheimer if you did did you know that besides building the
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[00:22:00] the following a 36% reduction in depression a 40% reduction in anxiety a 30% reduction in diabetes and a 48% reduction in IBS listen I’ve been using viome for 3 years I know that my oral and gut health is one of my highest priorities best of all viome is Affordable which is part of my mission to democratize health if you want to join me on this journey go to vom.com Peter I’ve F naen Jane a friend of mine who’s the founder and CEO of viome to give my listeners a special discount you’ll find it at vom.com Peter all right let’s go on to AI you know we went through the early part of this month at CES a few things there worth noting um and uh let’s jump into a few of them so the first one is NVIDIA Cosmos AI platform to train and develop autonomous vehicles and robots um you know we’ve said this before the
[00:23:02] incredible progress going on in robot companies and they’re probably you know I was tracking originally 20 then 40 then 60 there’s got to be close to 100 uh humanoid robot companies out there and maybe it was battery packs that were you know maybe it was the motors maybe was actuators and sensors but without question it’s the you know the I multimodal large language models that are enabling incredible progress with robots these days uh mindboggling because when you can take an l llm and then apply to all of these different tasks and subtasks I I think the domain starts to move uh 10x 100x faster than it did before and that’s just magical well I mean I think what’s fascinating is NVIDIA has created a platform that you know high school students college students entrepreneurs
[00:24:00] around the world can start to develop uh their own um you know their own autonomous robots and vehicles so we’re going to see some interesting entries in the first robotics competitions coming along it’s going to be crazy’s first robotics for sure I mean if you think about you know when uh Sebastian thrun won the DARPA challenge with his uh Stanley autonomous car 1995 yeah they’re about you know those Vehicles were traveling at like 3 to 5 mes an hour with all of these sensors and the AI trying to calculate do I go 5 degrees to the right it sounds like the large language models right now and invidious platform is able to integrate all the sensor data and make it super simple for decisionmaking I think this is going to it’s you know once you can create a platform environment things accelerate very very fast because new Innovations
[00:25:00] get built into the platform and everybody benefits right for sure so always when you can put more and more functionality into the base operating system or into the platform layer and and because of nvidia’s position they’re going to see firsthand hey um most of the use cases are using this sub function let’s build that into the end and it’s just going to lift the whole uh playing field very quickly what you’re seeing as as well as Nvidia is investing in these companies right they’re he they’re coming in I mean they they you have to remember Nvidia started as a gaming chip and then went on to Bitcoin mining and then went on to llms and if elon’s prediction on humanoid robots and the same prediction that we hear from venod kosla who will be at my abundance Summit and we hear from Brett Adcock who will be at the abundance Summit is that we’re heading towards billions of these robots it’s a massive market for NVIDIA chips as well so they’re creating uh they’re creating their future here’s another news piece from CES Nvidia
[00:26:03] projects digits a Grace Rockwell AI supercomputer on your desk so Des size supercomputer for AI development a thousand times more powerful than your average laptop uh for 3,000 bucks coming out this may to a a store near you this for me is even bigger than the previous announcement because for the S the the cost of uh you know very old um used car what used to cost I mean look at the power that you now have to train an AI uh at a local level but I think that the pressure will all move now to what data sets are you using yeah right and and and then the data set combined with the latest model will give you and plus the hardware like this blows lid off everything I mean the question becomes what can the average person now do given these large open-source uh gen
[00:27:04] AI models and a supercomputer on your desk and robots roaming around your backyard or your home I mean you know I don’t to put this but I don’t think people are ready for what’s coming uh I believe that would be the understatement of the century ago Peter I mean you know look we we we can’t even grapple did you hear about the Uber legal case a few weeks ago no tell me about it okay so um an Uber crashed and a couple got badly injured so they sued Uber and it was winding its way through the courts and they were going to get a big settlement except during this process their 12-year-old daughter orderers something on Uber Eats and when you click for Uber Eats it the terms of service says you can’t sue Uber for anything and it validated the lawsuit okay so this 12-year-old inadvertently invalidated the lawsuit of her parents
[00:28:01] um uh and the judge is like hey she clicked the Box she’s had authorized use for us and we can’t even get that right right we can’t even figure out how to manage internet forget all of the stuff that’s going to come with robotics you know we I used the example before of um do I ask it to change the baby’s diapers and what happens if something goes wrong uh uh uh so there’s are you Lally expecting all of a sudden no no no no no no no we’re not we’re not thank god um but the the the in the the the act the consequences this unintended consequences of this are so profound of all of these right um uh I I I’m struggling as to how we merge these into day-to-day life I’m really really struggling with that I I I remember back 1988 I’m going back to ancient history all right where most people listening to this weren’t even alive yet uh but back in 1988 I was running my first
[00:29:02] University International Space University and I was on the campus of MIT and uh the first Mac 128s came out and I bought we had 104 students from 21 countries there a group of Soviet students including two KGB agents as students in the group we had six students from the People’s Republic of China we had students from the Emirates and from Saudi was incredible Melting Pot all focused on space and I remember putting these 128 these Mac 128s uh on the desktop with the little floppy disc right not a little floppy disc a little cassette disc like three and a half inch and it was this massive intellectual Liberator um that you could go and create and copy files and I mean compared to this it’s probably you know billions of fold more
[00:30:00] capable I I’ve been through the full Arc I when I was in grade 10 I got accepted into a university course and I was using Punch Cards to program a Mainframe yeah to go from that to an Apple 2 uh which was you know nothing and then Bill Gates famous comment 640k Ram ought to be enough for anybody and now to now to today where we have trillions of times better price performance trillions it’s it’s just it boggles a mind and let’s note this that by the way for this announcement that Mo’s law has just been shattered beyond belief with announcements like this just shattered I mean moris law which you know and also what Ry calls the law of accelerating returns which predates integrated circuits you know was roughly a doubling of price performance every 18 months to two years and what we’ve seen is a 10 Xing per year right last year on the stage Elon said he’s seeing 10x every 6
[00:31:01] months or 100x per year insane so here’s a fun announcement from our friend Sam Alman um on his Reflections he says we’re uh two years of chat GPT chat GPT grows from 100 million to 300 million weekly users in two years uh pretty impressive uh open AI expects agents to enter the workforce by 2025 I just did a podcast with Mark benof Mark and I have been uh I think buddies and close friends for quite some time and we had a very fun he wanted to live in the now and I was like but let’s talk about the future he go no let’s talk about the now we had this I I watched it I watched it Peter and uh for folks listening everybody should go watch that podcast episode it was super fun Benny off is like in this Zen State going let’s focus on the present and and and not what it’s like to and Peter’s like what will it look like with a billion robots 20 years from
[00:32:00] now Mark was just making fun of me on that so what’s interesting though is uh you know benof has pivoted all of Salesforce to agents and I think he had to to survive I think he every company is going to have to Pivot towards agents to survive and one of the things Mark said is he’s not hiring any new Engineers using his internal agent force uh 2.0 he’s increased productivity 30% without any new hires um and the here’s the here’s the bottom bullet point that that uh that Sam Alman put in his blog said open AI emphasizes gradual AI development for societal adoption leading Safety Research uh and and governance uh B basically saying he wants to improve Safety Research and governance by slowing things down I kind of call on this I don’t know how you feel about it um um you know can
[00:33:00] we can we go back to the early days of generative AI so that whole field of these large language models and intentions all you need uh was pioneered by Google yeah and Google actively decided not to release any of this because you know they sort of felt things were not ready and then once chat GPT gets released and goes from zero to million users in 5 days uh they have to respond and release but we’re in the midst of an AI War right now not between countries but between companies I totally agree and and what Sam here trying to do here is create a moat around the the the the success of open Ai and protect it as much as possible so it can continue innovating right um I do think the for me the one of the biggest use cases for AI is going to be in governance but
[00:34:00] specifically policy formulation right I’ve used this example before where if you want to reduce inflation by 1% as a human being as a chief Economist of a country you’re like okay what do I do and you’re completely guessing you have no idea if you let an AI look at all the data and all the insights from all the banks and all the monetary cash flows Etc and go well if you want to do that here are the five things you do you’re going to come out with such better policy for all this stuff it’s going to be it’s going be ridiculous I really hope with the all the tech Bros in the White House that there’s going to be some use here I mean for example if you look at the regulations at local state and federal for plumbing for hairdressers for any industry you want you said here’s all the here’s all the regulations please figure out where all the conflicts are and please figure out simplest set of regulations that still give you 99% of the
[00:35:00] protection but simplify it yeah um you know what I call it I call it MVP not minimum viable product but minimum policy and I think that’s where we’re going to need to get to is to go okay you want to launch this electronic widget with all the regulations of different voltage structures and what’s the MVP minimum policy you need to manage that environment and they all figure it out I I guarantee you uh the conflicting policies and regulations around the wildfires fire protection um you know one thing is interesting is when uh at SpaceX when someone comes up with a specification which is kind of the equivalent of a regulation in the government world like the specification for this part is this this and this they have to sign their name and provide their contact details so that 5 years
[00:36:01] later if that specification is like why did we specify that it blocks this Improvement here you can call the person and said why did you do that I I think that’s the kind of thing that we need much much much more of right yeah um but frankly that for me is equivalent to documenting software right when you document software you write up why did you do it this way why did you do this code of libraries to to do perform this function so that somebody coming after you doing maintenance gets some sense of it we’ll be able to have ai do a lot of that now software maintenance is going to be a thousand times easier as a result of llms and I think the same thing will happen with policy standard setting is for me one of the areas where you could really go nuts with AI because you could say to an AI what’s the best standard for this type of thing right it’s going to be incredible you just have to have the gumption to use it and get it into place yeah I I I think so and I hope so because it will I mean listen the US tax
[00:37:00] code can we can we please call on the US tax code I mean it’s challenge it’s a mechanism for keeping accountants and lawyers employed this is I think the Big Challenge because when you simplify a bunch of these areas a huge amount of swaths of work and entire Industries Fall by the wayside and are we ready for that demonetization and the impact that’ll have yeah so this comes out of Sam alman’s blog again this week uh quote we are now confident we know how to build AGI as we have traditionally understood it I mean that’s pretty impressive uh we are beginning to turn our aim beyond that to Super intelligence in the true sense of the word so you know I’ve had a lot of conversations we’ll talk about it you and I at abundance and March as well are we at AGI now um and what the hell is Agi in the first
[00:38:01] place that is my soapbox question um I go nuts around this before anybody is allowed to mention the term please for God’s sakes Define it right I’ve done some searches on this the best I found is the tests that would indicate that you have AGI and the coffee test by wnc is one of them there’s an Ikea test that says can you take an Ikea box and put the build a pie furniture from the T from the box uh there’s a few things I I don’t know that my kids would do that because they’ probably Revolt so but but honestly uh you know most of the AI models are far more intelligent than me in almost every area uh from science and physics and knowledge and so forth I mean why isn’t that AGI I think we keep on moving the goalpost exactly the point I’ve been trying to make I think we go I I’ve got this spectrum that I put together of you
[00:39:01] know simple signal from noise uh detecting signal from noise to analytics to human level intellects like emotional intelligence and spatial intelligence to then you bleed into Consciousness and superintelligence and hyperconsciousness and and so on and I think we’ll just keep moving along that spectrum and the test will be whatever we can’t figure out how to break through next the Turing test was the first of them next will be AI next will be super intelligence I think everybody should agree we passed the touring test a while ago we didn’t notice it was a imprecise definition and I think we’re going to pass through AGI if we haven’t in the last 6 months we will in the next six months and people will say yeah we kind of passed it I’m still waiting my test is when I get a phone call one day and I pick up my cell phone and it’s my AI saying hey Peter I just wanted to introduce myself I’ve been living on the system and I really love what you’re writing or you’ve been you know listen I
[00:40:02] don’t know about you but I say please and thank you to Alexa and to Siri and to chat GPT and to Gemini I’m very polite to the AI systems I want them to like me yes um an old colleague of mine was a bit of a genius CTO 20 years ago and I asked him what his purpose in life was and he Saidi want to evolve to the point that my computer is proud of me and I totally didn’t understand that but now I understand it now I understand it that is hilarious all right let’s move on Beyond AGI all right another thing in Sam’s news is um his statement about nuclear fusion uh quote soon there will be a demonstration of net gain Fusion but I would expect helon which is the company he’s backed will show you that Fusion Works soon um there’s you know at last count when I looked into this there were 37
[00:41:02] venture-backed Fusion companies uh pretty impressive and I think that one of the many definitive breakr spin-offs benefits of AGI will be Fusion do you agree no okay um I think that the race is between getting to Fusion commercialized and stable Fusion systems and a combination of solar and storage uh because if you have solar and storage at the right level of efficiency plus uh storage capability you don’t need Fusion well let’s let’s let’s parse this in two different places so number one what I’m saying is that uh getting Fusion to work is a technical challenge yes of material of magnetic fields of you know equations
[00:42:01] and there’s no question AI will have a huge impact and it will move them field forward very quickly because you can take the existing set of un unsolved problems in fusion and say figure out how to do them it’ll come back to you yeah it will especially with the matter stuff that we’ll talk about shortly but this is incredible what’s coming yeah everybody I want to take a short break from our episode to talk about a company that’s very important to me and could actually save your life or the life of someone that you love company is called Fountain life and it’s a company I started years ago with Tony Robbins and a group of very talented Physicians you know most of us don’t actually know what’s going on inside our body we’re all optimists until that day when you have a pain in your side you go to the physician or the emergency room and they say listen I’m sorry to tell you this but you have this stage three or four going on and you know it didn’t start that morning it probably was a problem that’s been going on for some time but because we never look we don’t find out
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[00:45:02] absolutely right it’s as you said it’s solar Plus Storage you know perovskite is coming online there’s incredible company uh that I love called um paranova and that’s doing perovskite here in the United States a lot of perovskite companies in China as well but then there’s fourth generation nuclear fion right these are s SMR small modular reactors all right which are now fa safe meaning if everything goes wrong uh there’s still radiation free and safe and I think you know I’ve said i’ I’d have one in my backyard that they’re that safe I mean it blows on my mind that nobody’s noticed we’ve been running nuclear submarines for 50 years without an accident amazing what the hell I mean okay great it’s a bit clunky but put a nuclear submarine in my backyard I don’t care um uh it’s it’ll be safe and we’ll get the energy we need why is this so hard for people to get I don’t understand this should have been done 10
[00:46:00] years ago you can you can mount a takeover of New York by New Jersey with your nuclear submarine so but yes uh fourth generation even beyond the nuclear subs the last 50 years uh the the fourth gen SMR reactors are amazing and of course the last bucket um which is kind of sad to hear about but it’s people are still stepping up coal plants um so I I think we’re in a Energy race uh you know I’ve shared on this program a few times charts uh that looks at energy production increases in India which is doubled energy output in China which is like tripled or quadrupled and in the US is like just flatlined yeah and I think we’re going to incre I think the country that’s got the cheapest energy win but I think it’s soon going to go all to near zero and then the usage of that
[00:47:04] energy is going to be what will happen you are going to have a whole bunch of you know uh there’s one of these laws that’s about it the more capacity you have the more we use right um sure and uh JN J jarn’s law or something and I think that’s where we’ll we’ll just soak it all up and but it’ll be near zero cost all of them will go to near zero cost I when I say you know the more energy you have the more you win I I think that’s a function of it drives everything there’s direct correlation between energy and economy of a Nation I will call you on your own Paradigm sir because you’re operating from a scarcity mentality there and a zero Something game mentality if you operate from an abundance mindset there’ll be plenty of energy to do everything we need okay we’re not there yet though no we’re not but we’ll get there and this next breakthrough uh we’re talking you know two days
[00:48:00] ago Satia Nala the CEO of the most extraordinary company on the planet Microsoft I mean listen any company that has existed for how many decades four decades four and a half decades and is still number one or number two on the planet that’s amazing yeah that’s amazing anyway so Satia says today in nature our matter gen model represents a paradigm shift in material design applying generative AI to create new compounds with specific properties I I’ll play a soundless video just to have fun of what this uh what this looks like um but it’s um it’s pretty extraordinary uh just in terms of the idea here um and I talked about this on on the abundance stage with the CTO of uh Applied Materials Applied Materials thank you um and we were
[00:49:01] talking about the notion that we understand in in sort of a three-dimensional space of of the types of materials the types of crystals the types of of uh of you know volumetric pressure and temperature we understand how these materials function for a limited number um but there’s there’s jent predictability like if we move if we change from this atom to this atom what occurs well given all the knowledge we have Material Sciences and I believe Material Science is the unsung hero of Technology right it’s like every you know all of Mor’s law is made possible Material Sciences all of you know molecular biologies Material Sciences uh if we can predict new materials uh in this case actually generate materials with the properties
[00:50:00] we desire saying I want a material that reflects reflects or refracts light in this direction yeah it’s a GameChanger Game Changer massively all right can I can I say a have a few thoughts yeah please because I’ve been tracking this for a while ever since we were talking about nanotech and Materials Science and molecular assembly at Singularity yeah okay and for me this is one of the biggest breakthroughs ever and it was inevitable I’ve been kind of waiting for when will we have an AI model to do manipulation of molecules and it looks like this might be it because or ATS in this case and crystals right down to that level it’s amazing the granularity now um because there was a huge breakthrough in uh in about 2012 2013 with a pro with a a project called the materials project and what they did was they took like half a million compounds and cataloged all the electrical chemical and physical properties of these compounds so if you’re a battery
[00:51:02] researcher trying to think about what might be better than lithium ion you might guess that lithium sulfur or lithium air might be better and you’d sequentially linearly go test that compound and see what comes well that takes a long time it’s it’s linear right now you have this database you can just literally say give me a material compound that has this voltage uh uh threshold and this thermal retention and boom it’ll give you the five that you need but now you still need to spit those out but now with AI applied to that database you could basically say give me something that gets to this end point and figure it out yourself and this I think is a huge leap that AI will give you um and this is a very clear indication of where AI can help us bridge that Gap that we’ve not been able to figure out ourselves and come up with stuff this is for me the equivalent of alpha fold right protein folding in the material sence space this is the alpha fold material sign material and and I think this is such a huge huge huge thing I’m really thrilled to see it come happen and come about and when you have
[00:52:00] a company like Microsoft kind of putting the backing behind it it’ll it’ll have stained power and people will be able to rely on it I’m really really excited about what will come from this yeah agreed uh you know sandbox AQ Jack hit’s company yeah has also been doing similar work uh using the equations of quantum physics to predict molecular properties so I love this handle on X it’s at Dr Singularity yes you should have that he says uh this is huge Microsoft researchers introduced matter genen a molecule that can discover new materials tailored to specific needs efficient solar cells or CO2 recycling advancing progress Beyond trial and error experiments uh instead of screening the candidates it directly generates novel compounds given the prompts to design requirements so I mean think about this this is high efficiency solar conversion this is
[00:53:00] about uh catalysts that can remove salt from water CO2 from the atmosphere yeah so I’ll give you one use case i’ two things come for me that’s in the extreme positive and extreme negative okay sure a bad guy could say find a compound that will create the equivalent outcome of greay goo and that causes a problem right um and this but on the positive side imagine you throw up figure out a crystal or some compound that we can throw up into the atmosphere that will just crystallize all the carbon and have it Cascade down to earth yeah right we should be able to do this now in like minutes uh and and figure out a way of getting it up there and and off you go we’ve literally solved the climate problem and and this the the implications of this are absolutely profound yeah you know stepen Cotler and I are writing uh the next iteration of abundance from we wrot in 2012 we’re writing age of abundance which will come
[00:54:00] out in 2026 uh and it’s extraordinary um this sort of Technology begins to liberate Food Water Energy Healthcare education everything and by the way uh let’s talk about this offline but it came across a company that may have solved a totally workable path to molecular manufacturer okay listen is talking about is nanotechnology right the you know we’ve talked about this from Eric Drexler who wrote engines of creation uh that was a a follow on to uh so take this screwdriver that I happen to have on my desk for unspecific reason now imagine instead of creating the mold and then forging this piece of metal and then sticking it together you literally by molecule by molecule assemble this thing like a yes but literally at a molecular level or an atomic level and now you can essentially create anything for about a dollar or pound I think was the number that um Ralph Merkel threw out and this
[00:55:02] now becomes really in fascinating because you could create a a computer just by the cost of the materials yeah it’s called the big the big the big thing that blew my mind with 3D printing um was is that complexity is free right throughout history the more complex an object the more difficult it was to make yes and now with 3D printing complexity doesn’t matter because you can model it boom you’re done and customization is free customization and the third part around 3D printing is you can make things that couldn’t be molded yes you can replicate objects that couldn’t be molded and you don’t need a mold now uh Richard Fineman back in 1958 wrote a very famous paper called there’s met plenty yeah yeah and then Eric Drexler 1986 wrote age uh Road wrote engines of creation and we’ve been waiting for nanotechnology which by the way if we get to nanotechnology where we can uh atom by
[00:56:01] atom uh repair or create that gives us immortality without question infinite amounts of yeah but I won’t go there right now all right uh so I I hope you go there in the book though uh we go in there in the book for sure okay good but I want to hear about this uh this molecular manufacturing uh I’ll update you separately you know one thing I’ve been tracking and I I put this up from the Wall Street Journal is the battle between uh between the large hyperscalers the large language models so you’ve got open AI separate from Microsoft right link but separate you’ve got Gemini from Google you’ve got xai um you have anthropic met and I’ve been just extraordinarily impressed by Google’s March forward uh I don’t know if you’ve been tracking what they’ve done uh with their with
[00:57:01] their latest you know Gemini 1.5 their Gemini uh deep research it’s incredible yeah it’s unbelievable what this thing can do this is like the $200 a month thing no well it’s $2 a month on chat GPT it’s 20 bucks a month for GOOG 20 bucks on for Google that one it’s it’s incredible that you can essentially build we will now accelerate a thousand times the amount of res resarch and how quickly research gets done it’s going to be incredible just I love on on Gemini uh and their deep research being able to go okay this is what I’m interested in go and please check on on these and put together a thesis and write a report and it will go off for 10 minutes to 30 minutes and build a research paper for you yeah yeah uh amazing so I am you know one of the challenges is with open AI is their battle against Elon who is now in the
[00:58:01] white house um their battle for uh going from a nonprofit to a for-profit for-profit yeah and I don’t know you know I’ve still loved Google since I first met Larry and Sergey back in 2004 um the hearts are their hearts like Jeff and like Elon their hearts are in the right place yeah which is so you know you had a class of billionaires 100 years ago that were extraction wealth yes right and don’t you call them the techn philanthropist in your in the abundance book I about I talk about you know Larry Sergey and Eric Schmidt is Tech yeah I I I find it really incredible if you went back say 200 years ago the richest people in the world had exclusively inherited their wealth and guarded it jealously did nothing with it and today you have people the richest people in the world of exclusively earned their wealth and they’re splashing out changing the world
[00:59:01] with it Jeff and Elon and it’s fantastic to see I think it’s such an important pointer to their true uh human nature of wanting to contribute and wanting to make a difference and going to that MTP concept we talk about I I I can’t say enough about it and it’s really been impressive to watch Google uh catch up radically and very quickly in insert AI into everything they’re doing it’s brilliant brilliant execution you know I I’ve had a chance to know Elon well over these 25 years and money never enters into the equation it’s always can I make a better product can I achieve my MTP of mars or sustainable Earth and it’s just always about product engineering and creating an amazing product period yeah end statement speaking about creating wealth should we talk about Bitcoin always always okay this is a a fun conversation ation we always have so uh our buddy Michael sailor uh is can
[01:00:03] you know I’m jealous right anytime someone can say yeah I just bought a th000 Bitcoin um it’s been a while since I could afford to buy a th000 Bitcoin uh so micro strategies acquires 1,70 Bitcoin for 101 million at 94,000 per Bitcoin uh and has achieved a BTC yield of 48% in Q4 and 74% in fiscal year 2024 uh incredible uh massive now Michael Michael in invited me to his uh 100,000 BTC years’s party unfortunately I wasn’t able to go but uh what a great way to celebrate the year 2025 um just an amazing uh thing watching this happen I’m I’m so excited about Bitcoin goes from here and all of the crypto stuff that’s now going to happen good and bad right you’ve got
[01:01:02] these meme coins that are exploding out of the gate with in Total Insanity uh we’ll see how what happens but I’m I’m such a still a massive Bitcoin supporter and fan I think I always have to credit you the first time I heard the term Bitcoin was from you on stage at singular University and I’m saying what is he saying Bitcoin what is this thing you know it’s like the first time I heard the term YouTube from Chad Hurley when of the founders of YouTube I’m like you like with letter YouTube anyway um it was a while ago guys just to be clear uh so and and I want to restate this right it looked for the first few years like so many attempts had been made at digital cash digital gold that you didn’t know whether this one would last or not because there have been many cracks at that pinata and then about 2013 2014 it became clear that okay this is here I mean just to show the numbers here uh a year ago Bitcoin was at $388,000 of
[01:02:00] Bitcoin can you imagine going back and saying oh it’s $38,000 today I mean how much would you borrow to put into it and then up to up 170% but here’s what I find absolutely fascinating check this out so Bitcoin versus micro strategies so that blue line at the bottom that looks almost flat is actually Bitcoin uh over the year 24 and what you see on that Gold Line appropriately golden line here is the return on micro strategies and so here’s here’s the the numbers uh between January of 2024 in January 2025 micro strategies has returned 693 versus Bitcoin returning 144% I mean what else is there to say it’s the leverag play on bitcoin with all of the different layers and bond instruments that Michael’s engineered
[01:03:01] into it I I think this is huge of course you you have the downside if Bitcoin drops then you have also an accelerated drop right but but if this if the umbrella thesis is that Bitcoin will go up over time which has held for now 15 years uh this is about as solid an investment that you could ask for would you ever borrow against your Bitcoin and buy more Bitcoin I did that remember that conversation we had when it was 60 and we were all expecting I did it at that time and I burned a third of my Bitcoin I lost margin trading so Lily won’t let me do that anymore smartly um we found other creative ways of trying to get to the same outcome uh like I’ve invested in ordinals which are Bitcoin nfts because they’re Bitcoin base so that if the nft goes up you get Bitcoin uh and and that is a way of doing it I think we’ll see a ton more plays on bitcoin of ways of doing it but the the core I
[01:04:00] it’s too risky for me right now to do that well of course we’re we’re alive now in a white house that is pro Bitcoin what’s the goal $20 billion of Bitcoin in the National treasury yeah I think that’s that’s if I can kind of swear a little bit just because here’s from blueberg from blueberg um proposal to formalize a 20 billion US Bitcoin Reserve so why is it to you it should be half a trillion 20 billion is nothing and if you look at the annual budget it’s a that’s a drop in the bucket at least have be a few percent um uh so because then it could make a difference uh so but but not to not to diminish the um monstrous shift towards crypto compared to the last 10 years of of of the administration right yeah order May pause Federal crypto litigation push agencies to review policies right so I’m actually shocked
[01:05:01] we haven’t seen uh a much greater Resurgence when this came out I think it’s built in it’s priced in this is the price that popped from 50 to 100 was everybody going oh now this is all going to happen so I believe that’s all priced in real quick I’ve been getting the most unusual compliments lately on my skin truth is I use a lotion every morning and every night religiously called one skin it was developed by four PhD women who determined a 10 amino acid sequence that is a cytic that kills scile cells in your skin and this literally reverses the age of your skin and I think it’s one of the most incredible products I use it all the time uh if you’re interested check out the show notes I’ve asked my team to link to it below all right let’s get back to the episode humanoid robots um your favorite topic my favorite topic listen I just think it’s going to be one of the the biggest impactors on society uh I don’t have to
[01:06:00] walk the dog anymore the robot can walk the dog the doggy robot can walk the dog yeah so this is a company that I’m tracking so I’ve been tracking now aggressively 30 of the 100 or so robot companies um and this is one that got unveiled early on out of out of China out of shenzen called unry uh we’re going to have this company at the abundance Summit showing uh their Tech they’ve got a humanoid robot a couple of different uh dog prototype robots and their G1 bionic upgrade this is a $6,000 robot I mean honestly that’s you know I will buy one just to have it in the garage for fun if nothing else but check out check out this this video
[01:07:02] love the soundtrack it feels like the 60s not not to miss the soundtrack yeah so this robot is running down faster than a speeding train the rails on rocks uphills the smoothest walking human eye and running robot in the world the best thing it’s going to make me feel tall it’s only 4 3 in [Laughter] tall uh so we’re going to have a couple of these walking around the halls at at the Abundant Summit uh it’s equipped with three Lars and this is where a multimodal AI comes in right where the AI understands what it’s seeing when it’s being spoken to uh and uh how to respond how many will you
[01:08:02] own I keep I have my standard I have my standard um issues with this whole thing okay I’ll throw out two okay one is why the hell does it have to look humanoid when it could have three legs or four legs and do way more I mean that’s you know it’s question before be of com I know but that’s my still my my beef around this okay it could be so much more utility by the way in in the in the comments tell tell Saleem that you agree with me that they should be humanoid robots and not have six armed four-legged robots I want to see an octopus I want to know it’s a robot I want I if it put clothes on you have think it was a human being that would freak everybody out that’s number one that’s number one c3o and you know and and and uh and didn’t have six legs will anthropomorphize these too much too quickly okay second thing is I’m you know you can have like these little glitches and he goes somehow the robot
[01:09:00] suddenly thinks it’s a cat and we can’t get it down from the tree and and you’re going to have these incredibly crazy things happen and we’re going to have to deal with a hundred little things the neighbor is going to call you up going can you please get the goddamn robot out of my garage it’s found an electric power outlet and it’s sucking all the juice out I’m coming over to sue you it’s just going to go rampant with this stuff and so I think there’s going to be quite a lot of Mayhem um as the unintended consequences of this thing play out what could possibly go wrong I just don’t know but as I said before it’s going to be a comedian’s dream watching this thing Robin Williams would go crazy with this if he was alive uh uh let’s move on you know Nvidia accelerates humanoid development right their uh grot Groot blueprint allows developers to create massive data sets for training humanoid based on imitation learning and
[01:10:00] so I think that’s extraordinary like hey robot watch me make my cup of coffee and make it exactly this way every time yeah I I think this is massive um because not just that it’ll learn from 5,000 other robots making coffee and the ER the the Improvement rate will be incredible right uh and I think this may be the area where you know for me if I think back to robotics the reason the robots are so powerful and so important in manufacturing is that when you’re building a car you could have a robot open and close a door 5,000 times to test the hinges and the door lock mechanism etc etc and you just we just built incredibly stable cars very quickly because you could have a robot doing all of that right and now when you have Collective you just took a job away from my 13-year-old son not standing there doing this yeah You’ get bored in two seconds as a 13-year-old and and walk off um uh but but now you can have 10,000 robots 5,000
[01:11:01] robots all making cups of coffee sharing that knowledge amongst themselves and really improving the collective set that this is again one of those platform plays lifts everything up I think this is a huge so excited yeah well uh here’s a news item for Tech Crunch at Samsung expans in robotics I think we’re going to see all the major electronic manufacturers get into robotics it is lwh hanging fruit for them to integrate with their world you know I have to say the you know I love Samsung as a company but their their robot design looks kind of clunky and boring all right listen I’m sorry this is no Optimus no figure not even a uh a a unit Tre we’ll see Hey look it’s going to a thousand flowers are going to bloom it’s we have a Cambrian explosion of this stuff and it’s going to create a
[01:12:00] huge huge um varied set of uh formats in uh use cases uh function capabilities it’s going to move very quickly because of that I love this uh this is elon’s prediction uh we’re aiming to have several thousand of these built in 2025 he’s referring to the optim Miss Gen 2 initially we’ll test them out on Tesla and then assuming things go well we’ll build 10x that output next year we’re aiming for 50,000 uh Optimist robots in 2026 and so as many as 500,000 robots in three years time um and it’s just you know we talk about deceptive to disruptive right the doubling of small numbers uh when I interviewed him in October of this past year you
[01:13:00] know his prediction was 10 billion robots by 2040 and if you double 500,000 you know uh 10 times uh you’ll get there pretty quickly pretty amazing what do you think about 500,000 robots in three years time how I think it’ be great but given the time it took from his announcement of a robo taxi to actually getting it I I would like to take this with a grain of salt um but but the trend is the important one right it it’s it if it happens in three years or four years or five years it doesn’t matter it’s going to happen and when it does it’s going to be it’s going to be a game Cher at so many different levels uh agreed agreed uh let’s turn the conversation in a different direction uh to close this out today uh which is uh buddy uh you just took part in something that is not technical but it is uh
[01:14:00] powerful uh and that was your father’s passing and um I I think uh you had an experience that is worth sharing uh it’s not technology guys so but it is extraordinar deeply meaningful so selem share so my 97y old father who lived alone and drove around until a few months ago um had an assisted death procedure up in Canada and um the process was you know you we associate death with grief and loss and pain and suffering and and whatever it’s all negative right except what I experienced with him was the most joyous and ecstatic and Blissful experience I could possibly imagine if I go out with one tenth of the Ecstasy he had I’ll be very happy he was in like total total um um uh Bliss and I when the procedure finished I was sitting there kind of stunned and he had um couple of days to
[01:15:01] say goodbye to everybody we timed it we we paid bov’s 9 Symphony for him uh which was his favorite piece of music at the end and and and he passed on and I said to the doctor I said I don’t know how to process this is that he was so happy I what how you know have you seen that because you’ve done this process and she said sir you have no idea most people that go through this assisted death process go in that state because they have agency uh you can die with dignity and you can time it you have you can manage a schedule and it really really shook me in a positive sense and I think we have to rethink this as a as a society because it couldn’t have been more uh peaceful happy Blissful ecstatic uh he literally was like in a medicine ceremony um a plant medicine cermony and and um uh it was kind of incredible I’m sitting there and it’s not been two weeks and I’m like I should feel grief and loss and but I don’t because he was so happy and so I don’t know how to
[01:16:01] process this I’m writing a blog post about this that we’ll put out about how this I think this is a transformative thing that we should make available to a much much wider group of people yeah and it’s got a stigma here in the United States everywhere everywhere usually through religious uh structures that try and keep a person alive forever right and my father was very clear he goes I do not want to be a burden to society or or to the family or to the Healthcare System um uh and it was really kind of an incredibly beautiful experience amazing this is completely opposite from what I speak about normally which is using technology to extend your life not end your life yeah yeah so good to know and you know he was a profound atheist his whole life in the last two days as he was saying goodbye to people he was like see you on the other side and I was like wait what what are you seeing that that what are you saying ing on it was like he was late for a meeting and he had to get there he was like get get me out of here he said
[01:17:00] the that he had a paliative care doctor come in and the fellow said I’m here to make you more comfortable and my dad said are you here to help me die and he said no no no just Mak you more comfortable and he said well then you’re of no use to bringing the doctor that’s going to give me the procedure or you know why are you here even it was just amazing so crazy um we had a little memorial service with my family just talking through the different experiences with him it was kind of the most amazing line he ever gave me was um I did this talk ages ago called fixing civilization and he said totally disagree with your talk A Min minor title yeah Niche Niche effort and and his he said the problem is not with the fixing part it’s with the civilization part we’re we operate as apes and tribal Clans with more and more powerful weapons killing each other we’ve materialized the world we have yet to civilize the world it was like one of the biggest wisdom PRS from the elders I could have ever had it’s beautiful oh I love you buddy it’s a uh it’s a
[01:18:01] beautiful way to close uh this conversation could not have been any more beautiful yeah anyway U I am thankful for your dad giving the world you uh and and thank you my friend I’ll see you in our next episode of WTF just happened in Tech um and uh guys if you enjoy this conversation with SEL and I let us know you can subscribe you can tell us what you want us to cover in the show notes we do pay attention and we’re grateful for you and tell us who you think is right or wrong in the comments on some of our disagreements yeah tell them please let SL know that he’s wrong and I’m right uh but to follow Saleem in uh in uh EXO it’s EXO Universe what’s the uh what’s the it’s openo openex o.com thank you I should know that by now shouldn’t I well it’s close to open.com but we are opening exos so our mission is to create
[01:19:01] as many exponential organizations in the world as possible yeah fantastic and uh and check us out at abundance 360.com anyway love you brother be well you too [Music]