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2024 moonshots ep72 sal khan jacqueline novogratz ai education transcript

Sun Dec 31 2023 19:00:00 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) ·source: Peter H. Diamandis (YouTube)

how do we truly grow and focus on being loving high quality character and overly vulnerable humans related to where we are today and where we’re headed you had to ask the hardest question what I’m really intrigued by [Music] is everyone’s going to have a tutor in their pocket or on a computer a college education doesn’t get you a job your peers and your children are going to be like wow we were living in the Dark Ages at a time where like not everyone had access to their potential and right now that humility to see the world as it is is to go as fast as we can to build things not necessarily to help people but to enable people to help themselves let’s begin um and uh let’s go to Mike one over there hey bear oh hey how you doing I’m doing pretty good how about you this

[00:01:00] is my Deputy son bearce meet you guys wow it’s okay first of all bear how old are you I’m 11 awesome wow yeah I have two paternal twin boys Chris and I have who are 11 as well best friends yeah they’ll be here in a little bit yeah what’s up be not much am I allowed to ask my question you can you’re first the most Artic okay cool this one’s directed at Jacqueline um so I’ve been wondering because it’s kind of confusing for me because you’re kind of helping fund these companies and what what if AI eventually takes over like those labor jobs and the thinking jobs cuz then what’s the point of I guess helping those people if they aren’t going to what do you think’s going to happen to them once AI takes over labor jobs you had to ask the hardest question of the whole coverage not an easy one

[00:02:01] hard yeah he’s he’s a smart kid I think about that a lot actually um that you know you take a country like India alone and every year 20 million new young people are going into a labor force and increasingly where we work a college education doesn’t get you a job we’ve got the largest chicken um Farm in Ethiopia and most of the people that are being hired now have college educations because that’s where they can make money so my hope is that these jobs become that word accompanyment these jobs end up using technology uh to do more things for the world rather than just push people aside I also think that when we look at agriculture especially where most of the poor people are poor are our

[00:03:00] Farmers um we are going to see a lot of displacement but we are starting to see new systems where young people are deciding they want to become Farmers for the first time in my life to become Farmers rather than leave it because they can produce really beautiful uh foods for the people who live locally and so we might start to see new things happening in the world but uh in the short term all we can do is what we can do and right now that humility to see the world as it is is to go as fast as we can to build things not necessarily to help people but to enable people to help themselves thank you thank you for your question very Ryan where are you on Mike four where’s Ryan this is this is Bear’s sister my Deputy daughter hey hey

[00:04:01] Ryan talk to us what’s your what’s your comment or question Ryan um this is kind of more directed to S uh-huh [Music] but how much do you think education for kids will change in the next 10 years with AI how old are you now uh Ryan nine nine okay yes cool great great question something I think a lot about I think a lot of what we currently know about education some ways some of those things will stay the same but I think some of the main issues with education like um a lot of students honestly don’t even have access to you know Jacqueline talked a lot about that um I think uh college education is you know more and more ridiculously expensive over time time um I think you know just being able

[00:05:02] to have support even if you come even if you even if you have a reasonably well-resourced School you really don’t aren’t able to get help right when you need it and so I think those are the things that in the next 10 years you literally are going to have everyone’s going to have a tutor in their pocket uh or on a computer that’s going to be pretty rich uh that that you’re going to be able to uh engage with pretty deeply um that is isn’t just a a supplement something on the side uh to help you but it could also if you need it to be almost drive your complete education you’re going to be able to get credit and uh degrees um let’s call it um you know proof that you have skills that are going to be valuable for folks and hopefully you can get automat automatically connected to experiences jobs internships uh that that’ll get you what you need so I I think education I know you you know education’s one of been one of these areas that for a while people have have been very helpful but also they’ve been been very like oh I

[00:06:00] don’t know if anything Good’s going to happen we keep trying and nothing really changes I’ve never been more bullish that you know by the time you’re 19 years old uh you’re going to have a world where um you know your peers and your children are going to be like wow we were living in the Dark Ages at a time where like not everyone had access to their potential uh I think I think 10 years will will will make that and the only thing that might that might keep it is going to be other things like infrastructure electricity Wars um that that will keep people from having access but if we have those basic things in place I think pretty much anyone’s going to have access to a world Ryan let’s give it up for Ryan ree here everybody I want to take a short break from our episode to talk about a company that’s very important to me and could actually save your life or the life of someone that you love company is called Fountain life and it’s a company I started years ago with Tony Robbins and a group of very talented Physicians you know most of us don’t actually know what’s going on inside our body we all Optimist until

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[00:09:01] very much Jacqueline and S for two inspiring presentations uh my question is for S I’m here with I’m 25 I’m here with my 14-year-old cousin Julian we’ve both been users of KH Academy for a while um it’s it’s surreal actually seeing you and hearing you talk because I’ve SE I’ve heard you through a screen so much I feel like I wouldn’t have it’s a little disappointing seeing the older and shorter than I’ve watched your differential equation sucon Academy video more than I would care to admit um but but anyways we’re wondering how we can be guinea pigs for K Migo Julian’s been using KH Academy in his English classes at school he’s in eth grade and I’ve used them virtually through college through engineering and um it’s very very cool tool we’d love to help help you further yeah yeah and and

[00:10:01] there is a process actually anyone here uh so and this is an interesting phenomenon about U these large language models especially gp4 which is an order of magnitude more complex than U gpt3 is that they’re not they’re not cheap you know it’s not like internet where the marginal cost is like a few pennies right now um it’s it’s sizable we we’re trying to gauge on how much people are going to use it but it’s definitely on the order of like probably $51 $15 a month or something like that so what we’ve done right out the gate while it’s in the beta test mode um not is we we’re we’re providing it to some school districts just to start testing it and using it but we’re also making it so that if people donate on on our site at con laabs uh I think it’s $20 a month then that will unlock you can be on the waiting list of K Migo so your parents can if your parents donate then they can unlock it once they’re taking off the waiting list for their for the children so that’s what we’re going to do and the reason why I’m bullish on it because you know even at that price it’s a lot of value relative to like hiring a tutor and all of that

[00:11:01] but we have good reason to believe that over the next 6 to 12 months that cost is going to come down by a factor of 10 or a factor of 50 uh some on our side efficiency some on the side of uh the folks developing the large language models um but yeah but if you want to get in like this week or next week or something yeah get on the waiting list okay we’ll do yeah thank you yeah fantastic Max Million let’s get up for Joe thank you Joe for your question Max Million what you got so this one’s for Jacqueline um Jacqueline oh hi hi hi I may actually say I’m a big fan of yours you actually inspired my first MTP and moonshot back in 2009 and uh I spent the last 15 years essentially following that that track W what was it um it was actually empowering entrepreneurs in Africa building sustainable health care companies and for their local communities fantastic um so I’ve now actually moved on and amended or developed my my moonshop

[00:12:02] further and I’m now CEO of company called Next boardroom and our mission is very much along the lines of what what your challenge actually is so bringing the right sustainable mindsets and competencies into boardrooms around the world so I would love to talk with you how we can scale Acumen Academy in that context um to yeah every company around the world I would love that and also so many of the young social entrepreneurs um um we need to teach them how to build their boards and then use because many of them don’t have family and friends networks um find people who can really show up and be great board members for them so we’ love to have that conversation with you thank you awesome thank you Max Million thank you let’s go to our Global virtual members next on Zoom uh Josh what do you have yes hello everyone zooming in from Denver can you hear me okay yes can hear you great all right great um yeah thanks for the chat here s and Jacqueline’s

[00:13:02] amazing uh comments and this question is related to a quote and comment that you had yesterday Peter in a breakout session whereas humans need to become really great at being humans and let the AI and robots through the rest of the computerized and automated work so leaning into the gratitude for this Tech and removing the fear mindset how do we truly grow and focus on being loving high quality character and overly vulnerable humans related to where we are today and where we’re headed I’ll take I mean you know it’s it could definitely connects to the U what we talked about earlier about the role of the teacher and in a world of abundance I mean this is one thing I don’t we’re ever going to have a surplus of human connection and so as you know even if you just take a classroom as a microcosm for like the world um as you have AIS and tools like Khan Academy that’s able to do a lot more of the coordination a lot more of the assessment a lot more of the practice practice um it unlocks all of that time

[00:14:01] and space for the human to just have more conversations uh have more games have more simulations and I actually think we just need to scale that up even even beyond the classroom and what I’m really intrigued by is ways that not only can the technology take things off of the human’s plate but actually can facilitate yes uh human connections you know one one thing that I’m hoping to have built in the next year is we know in Middle school it’s a tough time there’s a lot of Dynamics and there’s the cool kids and the lot cool kids and there’s all these clicks you know how amazing if you could have an AI facilitate a conversation between two members of your maybe you don’t even know who the person you’re talking to but you can show that vulnerability you can show that hey there’s another human being no matter what their stereotype is um I think I think things like that are are where we’re going to get a lot of uh human value from there’s a term that Dan Sullivan first shared with me I think it comes from from the from Four Seasons

[00:15:00] you know let’s let’s automate the routine and humanize the exceptional which I love that yeah I I I love that question and it’s certainly something I’m obsessed with um as I said how do you teach character it’s something Sal and I are talking about um what we’re what what we found at least on a um a global level but with thousands not yet Millions um is through ritual through language through um more organized groups and and the Socratic method of having people speak across lines of difference to build a sense of community really is possible and my question now is how do we scale it um and storytelling our media continues to tell stories of people who do a lot of bad things um and still are put on pedestals uh rather than those individuals who are have an abundance of kindness an abundance of goodness

[00:16:01] abundance of generosity we know that wealth does not correlate to empathy and so part of it I think is also finding a new kind of role model um which is sort of an old-fashioned kind of role model but the ones that we want to be like but we’re sometimes afraid to really celebrate and our media could do a better job and so can we we’re going to go to Julian on Zoom one more time thank you for your your question and then we’re go to John next over here so Julian uh where are you and what’s your question what’s going on hey I’m reporting here from one of the Villas in the resort so not too far based in San Francisco though but yeah great talk from the both of you um yeah I’m going to ride off of um Bear’s first question since that’s been very top line because I’m I’m building an AI learning tool name was doia so learning in AI has been super top of mine and the question here is based on the challenge that there’s

[00:17:00] you know the world’s moving faster than ever and there’s massive disruption that’s going to come from jobs so it’s a question around what are the future proof skills what are the future proof jobs how do we deal with that transition period from like so many people just being displaced I think learning has a lot to do with it so it’s like what should we be learning and how do we become exponential Learners and individuals in this new exponential age thank you Julian all s do you want to take that on yeah look it’s it’s something I’ve been struggling with you know I think a lot of us try to run optimistic about you know inflection points of Technology new jobs that we can’t imagine can be created I know we you know we’ve all all heard that but it it is amazing I mean just even over the last six months uh when you know as soon as uh we had access to gp4 back in August I started telling all of our team members like look you got to figure out how this is changing your work I mean we’ve done as a non-for-profit we’ve done things like an email exchange with a donor we just take those 10 emails throw it to gp4 and it wrote The Proposal for us um and then we tweaked it for like you know 20

[00:18:01] minutes but then it it got that done I was originally so I was like oh maybe this is the skill of the future being able to you know be a prompt engineer and tweak the AI but then as we were working with open AI it got more steerable so we had to do a little bit less of the the Dark Art of how do you get the AI to do exactly what you want so you know if I were to guess in you know two or three generations even that is going to you’re that that’s not going go raise me money was yeah ra raising money might always be a AI proof skill um but but uh yeah I I it’s a um I I think it’ll be the human the ability I think the critical thinking plus the human connection if you can form bonds with other human beings I think you’re always going to have a a strong and I’ll say one last thing you know my college roommate he’s this guy that none of us thought we’re going to he’s not like the Wheeler Dealer stereotypical VC guy but he’s all always a guy that he’s super vulnerable

[00:19:00] he becomes best friends with anyone wherever he is and he’s become an incredibly successful investor essentially based on that skill and the more I think about it I think his skill is probably the most um fascinating yeah Brazilian I I think the caring economy really matters here that um we’re becoming lonely as a society and so whether it’s an accompanyment model that were we saw first in Africa and now we’re seeing in the United States where people will call people people with chronic diseases um to see if not only if they’ve taken their meds but are they exercising helping them learn how to grocery shop etc etc what we didn’t expect um was the bonds that would be created within Community what we did expect is that people would stay healthy and not get sick and that would save a lot of money and you could build a revenue model around it so I actually think that those individuals who um can show up can care can build community will also be something that that we not only value but longer term monetize

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[00:22:02] benefit us in those places that’s a great question um we don’t invest directly in nutrition but we do invest in education and a lot of the best education models um either will partner with philanthropy or the state um because of the power of a as you know a single healthy meal every day in countries like India with a 45 % child malnutrition rate or across Africa where you’ve got stunting pretty much across the continent that really matters um I don’t have off the top of my mind for you a particular company that is focused specifically on the the school feeding um but I’ll I’ll give that some thought perhap there’s an opportunity there yeah I mean we lose 40% of our agricultural production um before it gets to the

[00:23:01] plate um in the developing world it’s all food rots on the side of the road it’s never sold at Market you could actually see AI doing a much better job uh locating and finding ways to move that food more effectively to the people who really need it um would be one thing that would come to mind and then of course in the wealthy world we lose 40% of the food after it gets to our plate and we just waste it and so there’s I would think there’s a huge opportunity there we’ve got something like uh 15 questions and 12 minutes left so I’m going to speed round it as a young Kenyon guy said to me so please be short so uh this is from slido uh this is foral from one of your former students what do you need or looking for in a partner uh to help reach salanas in the world I’ll say you know two things really fast uh one we we have 50 plus localization efforts including in you know PTO Dar fari and and all of these

[00:24:01] and and you know and there’s other parts like Afghanistan if we’re talking about the Middle East Etc um so folks can actually volunteer and and and and localize uh we have different degrees of efforts in every geography so that’s one I think thing that anyone can do if they have language skills um the second one is you know to say it but resources do matter here I was telling Peter earlier that um you know for for domestic English like our budget’s a budget of about a large high school it’s about 60 million a year uh Global education spends 5 trillion a year um so we’re a vapor of a vapor of that uh but like we think you know for like if we were able to put about a million or two behind uh supporting our platform to go right to left that would be a huge thing and that’s million we’re we’re trying to raise you know having dinner with Will I Am and the patrons on Sunday night and he said something that was amazing he said you know raising money to educate AIS is easy raising money to educate our kids is hard yeah he’s crazy he’s right

[00:25:00] yeah raising money is hard period uh let’s go to uh to harsh on on Mike three please hi thanks a lot for organizing this like one uh we have two questions actually but let me just give you let’s pick one CU we have a lot of people waiting sure so basically the question we have is um I actually went to India and we use tried to use Conan Academy thing and I also tried to use robots right and one thing which we found found out was kids actually were building robots they got they got to learn a lot more and it was very hard for them to learn directly from KH Academy so what we did was we actually created something called Hol world where holographically now they were able to combine Minecraft type of things Roblox Minecraft with Lego type of things and that has actually done very well so and there is in India there is something called co- profit right so you can have CSR where people can uh actually take money from

[00:26:00] profits and put it into nonprofit so why in your case these two have not happened and the second question is is there an API with KH Academy which I can use for this holographic Universe I’m building which can be integrated so that I can present this Alexander all these things are there in the holographic world but we need an API yeah we unfortunately um we we don’t have AP it might be coming back in the next year or two um in terms of I agree with you uh you know if you can body it and all that I mean I think that’s you know we talked about the sultanas there are certain students who can just power through in the current form factor uh but the more that we can make it engaging we can make it embodied whatever I think it is going to help a ton thank let’s go to Carl and Mike too Carl thank you both for the impact you’re making first of all but s my questions for you is uh I’m curious what your predictions are related to avatars and and kind of how that either replaces teachers or kind of acts as that tutor to teachers and interestingly yesterday we heard a stat on how children actually

[00:27:00] are more likely to tell the truth to an avatar psychologist versus a physical person there so I’m curious how you think that plays in education yeah I’ll say a couple real quick things is you know what we’ve always said is we want to raise the floor for so many kids because they don’t have access to school so there and we think now with the AI the floor can be raised pretty significantly so it’s even better than your average well-resourced experience at some point but we also want to raise the ceiling if if you have an amazing teacher we’re going to be able to make that teacher even even more more empowered um in terms of uh you know avatars themselves yeah you it’s funny that when I watch the Harry Potter series I always thought the the craziest most unrealistic part of Harry Potter were those picture frames that could like represent dead people and that could talk um and now I realize that’s actually the most realistic part of of Harry Potter um and and so I think there’s something very interesting I me I think there’s even a couple of startups that are already like you can

[00:28:00] like download someone’s personality and it’s about to get a lot better yeah we got in the tech Hub over here go and check check out so so yeah I I I I think you’re going to have a way to kind of persist and create people I mean we we have a fun little project of like can we create a embodied s scale tutor you know maybe in six months you’ll have something like that I don’t know but um it it it is a little bit wild what’s about to happen hey everybody this is Peter a quick break from the episode you know I’m a firm believer that science and technology and how entrepreneurs can change the world is the only real news out there worth consuming I don’t watch the crisis News Network I call CNN or Fox and hear every devastating piece of news on the planet I spend my time training my neural net the way I see the World by looking at the incredible breakthroughs in science and technology how entrepreneurs are solving the world’s Grand challenges what the breakthroughs are in longevity how exponential Technologies are Transforming Our World so twice a week I

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[00:30:00] inspiring that desire to learn and the same thing to you jacn with you know this coffee company that you’re working with those sorts of things how do you inspire these people to take charge and take that first step to utilize these amazing tools uh you know I think the first step is just giving them a a place where they can realize that they are interested in discovering these academic abilities and when they they can see oh compared to my brothers in the local school I’m actually learning more and wow there’s all this interesting stuff I think the AI is Will to get access that more I think we’ve all many of us when you’re reading a book and you’re like wow I really connect with Vol or I really connect with Mark Twain but that’s a one-way situation I think the artificial intelligence turns this into a two-way conversation so I think we’re going to be able to unlock even more there but I think the number one thing is as soon as people can start to say wow I’m I’m exercising just as it feels good to exercise your body as soon as you exercise your mind and you realize what you’re capable of it starts to put you on a path yeah I I um I also think that

[00:31:03] storytelling and um and and finding more people who look like the people that we’re also looking to empower really matters we have a company that um it’s essentially a woman doctor in pck and 30% of all women doctors stop practicing when they get married so first you have to change that um has put all these women doctors on a tech platform so that they can actually provide healthare to rural women often for the first time in their lives um so you’ve got to get rural women in places like Northern Pakistan where the education rate or literacy rate is 4% for women to trust that they can talk to a doctor who might be sitting in New York um and use that but the fact that they look like them they can speak the language and that they’re are local agents and S and I were talking about this before including with education that local teacher she might be illiterate but she’ll be learning at the same time as the students learn that that role modeling is really really important and then the

[00:32:02] second way through storytelling would be things like um for farmers in India you can tell me if I’m wrong but Bollywood actors actually really matter um for that kind of endorsement and so uh things we might not really things we might take for granted are often wrong and so um I think that we need more creativity and that’s also where AI can can help us I’m going to try and through three more questions we’re going to Robert on Zoom keep it short if you would Robert where are you and what’s your question hi calling from Phoenix Arizona Phoenix so my question is uh for Saul is there a way for the Con Academy to partner with uh the industry to bring courses that don’t exist uh in colleges for vocational specific learning uh such as in soil engineering which is is a practice that is done uh virtually beyond what they teach in college great

[00:33:02] question simple answer is yes and what I’ve been you know some people think vocational they think it’s only a certain category and not the kind of the career track white color jobs one of the things I’m fascinated in is can we CRI people this core set of skills that you don’t need to sit in a four a chair for four years uh but are put you even in the same category as a college graduate but also obviously can work on these things that we don’t normally associate with a college degree so the simple answer is yes and and working on it we’re starting to talk to several companies about hey if someone just did this on KH Academy why don’t you put them in the same category as someone with a 3.5 GPA from Stanford and and the companies are serious about it now fantastic Jeff peoples what’s your question pal uh jacqulyn what is what are the uh what access do we have to your teaching about character development what is there something that we could bring on to our teams especially our you know young people here in the United States here well around the world I’m just you know I’m just like okay and it’s actually

[00:34:01] especially more important for around the world because it’s like no anyway you have something we can access now so um I don’t so I have a I have a couple of books but um my last book is called Manifesto for a moral Revolution and it’s 12 practices that we have found in our most successful entrepreneurs to be very effective in um building companies that put our Humanity at the center it’s all about character and then Acumen Academy um is the start there are about 40 different courses already um that are very much about that and we’re starting to partner with corporations that are having their teams take the courses together and so would’ love to talk to you about about both of those and Jacqueline you’re going to be staying here through Thursday no only through this evening un okay so Jacqueline’s here at lunch and in the evening so this is a crowd that wears a lot of black so you should be able to find me Carla you’re our final question here sorry guys yes s thank you I’m

[00:35:02] going to become a donor and you’re my hero um I’m a a Pioneer in advancing education for dyslexic Learners a founded Athena Academy in the Bay Area and so my question is how can we work with KH Academy so it works better for dyslexic kids we love what you do but our dyslexics don’t work as well as non-dyslexics with your materials and platform yeah well first of all thank you um you know honestly I think it’s just a a a bandwidth and serialization issue U you know we’ve gotten some feedback that it does work for certain students with dyslexia and other um you know learning differences but we haven’t honestly been able to focus on that problem in particular you probably have good insights there so you know if there’s lwh hanging fruit that we if we did X Y and Z it could dramatic like we want to hear that and then you know I’m hoping in the next several years we can start to have more capacity to start you know uh focusing on some of these on these uh

[00:36:00] these situations I hope we can talk yeah absolutely wonderful all right ladies and gentlemen give it up for Salan and Jaclyn [Music] overr