welcome everybody to another episode of WTF Just Happening technology on moonshots I’m here with selem Ismael will AI have rights this is the worst AI will ever be today we are on track to reach longevity escape velocity by 2029 it’s just the early days right now still the idea of putting billions of microscopic chips into the brain what could possibly go wrong hello Hume my name is Peter well hey there Peter nice to meet you super excited selem we had quite the week in technology you and I uh were on stage with some of the most extraordinary leaders in Ai and Tech out there uh including Elon Musk and Mike sailor Eric Schmidt Ray KW Jeffrey Hinton and rather than reporting on the news I think we should report on the conversations we had with these guys cuz some of the
[00:01:01] stuff was truly magical yeah I mean for great to be back that was possibly one of the best conferences I’ve ever attended um and so kudos to you and the team for pulling that off it was kind of incredible I heard the same from everybody and I think the conversations that were had there were so far ahead of anything that might hit the news that it’s really really worth recapping yeah and and the conference you’re speaking about is the abundance Summit the theme this year was the great AI debate um and we debated a lot and in fact the theme was is digital super intelligence Humanity’s greatest hope or our gravest threat but let’s jump in um because one of the most extraordinary conversations was with Elon um and I got to tell a little Side Story for those uh listening so you know I communicate with Elon he’s gone all in on X like he only does phone calls on X he only does texting on X and he only does video on X so you know the
[00:02:02] start of the show is a abundant Summits four and a half days at the beginning I text him say hey we’ve got you know 500 amazing CEOs entrepreneurs philanthropist in the room and a couple of thousand online would you join and he said you know his normal answer is sure you know and I said great U let me know when so this was on uh on Sunday on Monday uh he he first of all he said here’s a zoom link and he said no don’t do Zoom uh only x video so we tried it and unfortunately we had a problem on our you our Wi-Fi at the hotel and so it was choppy it didn’t work and you said let’s try again tomorrow and I’m like okay is he really going to try again tomorrow and sure enough you know I texted him and and he said yep uh let’s do it and so right after lunch at 2:00 on that Tuesday uh I
[00:03:00] he says let’s test it first we did and he beams up on on the uh on the uh main stage now I’m on my phone right on X video uh connected to my computer that is then connected to the main screen and uh elon’s on his airplane and the most incredible thing was we were on X video over starlink on his plane talking about the future of AI that was fun amazing I really awesome convers ation and once we got it going I think the bandwidth and the conversation was fantastic he was really chatty that day actually you know uh let’s open up with a a clip all of this the entire 30-minute conversation with Elon is on the moonshots uh channel so you can go and And subscribe and see it there but let’s listen up to the first part of the conversation I’d love your thoughts on this the way in which uh sort of an AI or h is created uh is
[00:04:02] very important it’s almost like like raising a a kid but that’s like a Super Genius Like Godlike intelligence kid and it matters kind of like how you raise the kid you know one of the things I think that’s incredibly important for AI safety is to have a a maximum sort of Truth seeking and uh Curious AI so I’ve thought a lot about AI safety um and my My ultimate conclusion is that the the best way to achieve AI safety is to to grow the AI you know in terms of the foundation bottle and the fine tuning to be really truthful like like don’t Don’t Force It to lie like even if the truth is unpleasant it’s very important don’t make the AI lie in fact the cor plot premise of 2ou you know 2001 Space Odyssey was things went wrong when they forced the AI to lie the AI was not allowed to let the crew know about the monolith that they were going to see but it was also had to take the crew to the monolith and so the conclusion of the AI was to kill the crew and take their
[00:05:01] bodies to the monol and so the lesson there being uh Don’t Force an an AI to to lie or do things that are axiomatically incompatible like to do two things that are actually mutually impossible you know that’s what we’re trying to do with with xai and and Brock is to say like look we want to just have a maximally truthful AI even if what it says is not politically correct so uh I think it’s a good a good idea not to force your AI to lie you know when we kicked off the conversation um I reminded him of a tweet that he put out saying that AI compute was growing 10x every six months right do you remember uh where he went from there uh yeah he said look at this pace we’ll get AI smarter than us in a very short order of time and and there’s a monster kind of implication to that both good and bad right um the good part is it could deliver abundance very quickly and the bad part is the what he refers to in this video which is the often called the
[00:06:01] paperclip problem which is if you instructed an AI to create as many paperclips as it could it might decide that the only way to do that was to take over all energy resources on the planet and suck Humanity dry and wipe out of humanity by accident trying to achieve its goal and how do you avoid that is the key problem yeah let’s show another C another Quick Clip of Elon from that 30 minute conversation the way in which U sort of an AI or AI is created uh is very important it’s almost like like raising a a kid but that’s like before I go past this clip um i’ love to hear your comments but we also had moat on here talking about the fact that AI is our progyny AI is the children we’re raising on this planet and we have to train them educate them feed them in a way that they’re going to be give positive uh you know intellectual uh capability ities to
[00:07:00] support Humanity what are your thoughts here uh I think that’s exactly right it goes to you know if you combine two thoughts right one is uh Elon framing it as we’re raising a Godlike intellect uh and the second is Mo’s concept then it it brings to mind for me Neil jacobstein saying okay you’re worried about AI becoming autonomous having access to the world’s in uh information uh making its own decisions and running them up right and we’re like yeah he goes well we call them children we have a precedent for that uh cuz you raise kids uh and you hope they’re raised in the right way and then you lose control of them and they do their wrong thing and you but let’s be serious your kids are not going to accidentally you know uh burn down the well I guess they could burn down the house but they’re not going to set off nuclear codes I mean there’s a little bit of a difference between children and AI children there is and there’s also a big difference in that our kids are biological and we have some familiarity with that we assume I I and you know I
[00:08:00] always take the optimistic view here because we have no evidence to the contrary uh but we assume that AIS will be negative towards us or that they could be and I just don’t see any evidence of that at all and that’s where I kind of been in line with Ray kwell on this but uh I I there’s definitely a monster danger of an a human being programming in AI for malev reasons or accidental reasons as you frame it yeah um so listen I’m The Optimist as well but we did see in the past at Facebook and at Microsoft and other places AI becoming you know just flagrant in hate speech and going off the deep end I mean we did see that right we did and that’s really a garbage and garbage art problem right if you if you let it loose on the internet and let it watch episodes of of Survivor uh then it’s going to come up with stuff that’s crazy well just let it watch you know episodes of CNN all right let’s see what he had to say about abundance here you know the conversation
[00:09:00] yesterday Elon is one that you’re well familiar with and have been talking to the world about which is is digital super intelligence Humanity’s greatest hope or its greatest fear and I’m would love to have you sort of speak to that for a few minutes the Advent of super intelligence it is actually very difficult to predict what will happen next so I think there’s you know there’s some chance um uh that it’ll end Humanity I think that’s you know like I said probably agree with Jeff Hinton that it’s about I don’t know 10% or 20% or something like that the probable positive scenario outweighs the negative scenario it it’s just it’s difficult to predict exactly but I I think we are headed for as I think is the title of your book abundance uh is the most likely outcome I thought your book was pretty accurate in terms of the future being being one of abundance where essentially goods and services will be available in such quantity that that really uh they’ll be available to
[00:10:00] everyone like basically if you want something you can just have it essentially there’s really no meaningful limit to what the econ economic output would be so you know looking on the bright side we are headed for a future of abundance I think that’s the most likely outcome I think the only scarcity will that that exists will be scarcity that we just decide to create artificially like let’s say we just decide that there’s a unique work of art or something but but any kind of goods and services I think will be extremely abundant thoughts buddy yeah I think that’s exactly right I mean you know we can see we’ve gone from information scarcity to information abundance globally we’re going from energy scarcity to energy abundance once you have energy abundance all sorts of other things become radically possible uh and there’s no reason to deal with scarcity except in specific areas where you want to and it’s intentional and conscious like Bitcoin or rare works of art as he mentions uh that’s where we if you’re familiar with the luxury Goods world you know you know what are what
[00:11:01] Burkin bags are which is a purse that costs like 10 grand and there’s a three-year waiting list for this thing just because women want that bag so much they’ve created the waiting list for that and and these things appreciate and value which just blows my mind um and so there’s lots of mechanisms I think for us to practice and navigate um a for created manufactured scarcity whereas anything we really need is in abundance and I think that’s a great place for us to end up yeah I mean I do believe it and I just want to focus in on his original comment 10 or 20% chance of global disaster uh versus uh you know 80 or 90% chance of abundance and when he says I think it’s a 10 10 or 20% chance I wanted to like say wait hold it 10 or 20% chance of which side can we be clear about this so he’s been pretty consistent on that um and I put it in the one to a thousand range but you’re in the you’re what do you mean you think
[00:12:02] put in the one to a thousand range of of devastating negative effects of they are but that’s dangerous to say that you know I think I think it’s a lot easier it’s a lot better for us to say listen there’s a 20% chance of disaster because you don’t discount 20% chance and you actually do everything you can to prevent it if you say it’s like one in a thousand H okay fine let’s just go ahead willy-nilly all right let me let me challenge you on something please as far as I’ve looked into it and as far as my community has looked into it we see no mechanism of any me way possible of limiting Ai and its spread and its propagation and its development like zero I I agree unless can cannot unless you unless control every line of code written and the AIS are writing the code yeah and by the way as far as we can see the jy’s out of the bottle it is you know there were two there were two absolutes uh 5 years ago don’t put it on
[00:13:03] the web and don’t allow it to code itself and guess what both of those barriers were broken instantly instantly and the minute the minute um chat upt connected to GitHub with all of the codebase there and learned through that and now it can control anything it can write its own programming pretty much you’re done so uh you there was a small possibility but even then it was going to happen at some point and if we didn’t do it the Chinese would do it or the North Koreans would do it somebody would do it and it was going to happen right so it it was an inevitability to it that I don’t think is uh VI is stoppable in any way shape or form I think guiding it is the only path we have going forward I I I agree you know and this is the conversation I had with Eric Schmidt on um on the morning of day two was you know Google had this technology first and they chose not to release it because they felt like it wasn’t ready yet and
[00:14:00] then Here Comes open AI releases it all and there’s no choice but to release it themselves if they want to stay in existence which is a um you know Prim ofasa first uh first yeah the the techies behind the scene are very very unhappy with Sam Alman because on one hand he lets it out for everybody to use and then he goes to governments and says oh let’s figure out ways of regulating this right when knowing full well that it’s completely not feasible in any really that’s an important point this you know Mustafa saliman who uh was the CEO of inflection AI just moved this past week to be CEO of Microsoft AI uh so all these moves going on um and he’ll be he committed to speak at abundance 360 uh next year so he’ll be on stage with me next year um you know he basically wrote a book called The Coming wave and which he talked about we need to provide containment and I just don’t believe containment is an option right you you the smartest hacker in the room
[00:15:01] is the AI and it’s just not going to be contained so can you contain can you reduce its resources can you regulate it I think you’re absolutely right the only option is to guide it it’s it’s the kid is born or the children are born and it’s like you know to use MGA Dot’s words are you giving birth are you raising Superman or a super villain so can I speak to that for a second yeah sure if if you look at Humanity it there’s a very clear model where the more conscious somebody is on a spectrum the less negative things they do I agree so in my opinion what you do is you help AI become as conscious as possible and as superconscious as possible as fast as possible as fast as possible right so if you have an AI that has visibility over every species on Earth and what it’s going through and has gathers the data and then you say listen we’re trying to preserve life and guide it um uh and and and give it the full fruition of
[00:16:00] self-expression and and um self-actualization teach at maso’s hierarchy of needs teach at the Hawkins scale which is a one to a thousand scale of vibration energy Etc you have every chance of it kind of going wow this is pretty cool I want to get to there and then it brings all of us along that way and I think that points to a beautiful future I I agree and in fact all of the scenarios that Hollywood painted were a Terminator goes and destroys makes no sense right it’s like do I mean it the Hollywood scenarios are always if you’re if you’re lucky you’re pets and if you’re unlucky humanity is food um there’s no other alternative the fact that we could coexist with it in a beautiful way doesn’t isn’t doesn’t sell well yeah I mean the notion is there’s some scarcity that if if the AI is needed they’d take it from us and we’re living in a in a universe of massive abundance there is nothing truly scarce I don’t care if it’s energy lithium tianium or you know or gpus yeah so let
[00:17:02] me add one more comment to that we’ve seen with human beings that the only real scarcity we have right now is time and attention right and so in fact the original GPT paper was call the attention uh call the attention paper now uh if you have an AI which can have an infinite amount of attention because it has the sensory capability and the processing power attention is abundant and therefore in that case there’s no reason to assume that it’ll do anything negative in fact there’s a reason to believe that if I have an AI and I’m a dictator and I say to the AI go kill those individuals over there that the AI will be intelligent enough and uh to say no um yeah do you really want that on your conscious young man or or I’m going to go talk to their Ai and solve the problem because there’s much better ways to solve the problem than to just obliterate them yeah so this brings me to where I think the magic of AI could be can we just replace everybody in the
[00:18:01] UN with an AI well in and sort out the world in like no time flat so so we got to this conversation uh during the abundance Summit and for me you know there’s a lot of people who say okay if we have a digital super intelligence let me Define this as an intelligence a billion times smarter than humans which is the ratio if you look at the number of neurons the ratio of a human to a hamster right is a is a billionfold more intelligence okay and if you have a an AI a billion times more intelligent than than a human the question then becomes does that scare the Daylights out of you or does it give you great hope and I would say that rather than scaring the Daylights out of me a digital super intelligence of that capability gives me the greatest hope for a benevolent uh leader that’s going to help us sort our stuff out uh 100% look the you know think about how we’ve evolved right if we’re
[00:19:02] if if in our early stages we eat the hamster because we see it as food and in our more evolved stage where we have lots of technology and lots of own we we use a h we treat a hamster like a pet uh and a companion the kids we we uplift the hamster we give it hamster train it to do things over the years I’ve experimented with many intermittent fasting programs uh the truth is I’ve given up on intermittent fasting as I’ve seen no real benefit when it comes to longevity but this changed when I discovered something called prolon 5day fasting nutrition program it harnesses the process of autophagy this is a cellular recycling process that revitalizes your body at a molecular level and just one cycle of the 5-day prolong fasting nutrition program can support healthy aging fat focused weight loss improved energy levels and more it’s a painless process and I’ve been doing it twice a year for
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[00:21:02] growing it wasn’t trading Beyond its cash value it was being dissipated away and most people don’t realize that sailor didn’t come to bitcoin when you did I I heard about Bitcoin first from you on stage in at Singularity University in like 2011 2012 and I just wish I had paid more attention pal um he came to it in 2020 during the covid shutdown uh and said what’s the world going to do there’s death and destruction on economics around the world and he went to his board he’s got a five member board and he said we should take our entire Treasury and put it in Bitcoin as a public company talk about coones on this guy and then they borrowed borrowed hundreds of millions and put that into Bitcoin yeah and the fastest growing stock uh alongside Nvidia in The Last 5
[00:22:00] Years yeah I mean it’s crazy when you look at it it is at one level and at another level we’ve seen the more anybody understands Bitcoin the more they believe in it right so he gave the board he said what 10 hours of homework to do to read up on bitcoin papers he gave a whole bunch YouTube videos to watch gave them videos and said go watch this and when you do it you go through that cycle it took me a little longer because even though I heard about it UPF front I hadn’t been in the money new money world for a long time um I remember talking to Austin Hill who created blockstream which is the lightning Network and so on and he said dude this has been an evolution of more than 30 years of different things being done ecash digital gold Etc finally leading to bitcoin there’s a wonderful video that showcases why Bitcoin is so unique because of the gamification and the reward of the mining side they were able to connect those two dots that hadn’t been done before but once you see it you can’t unsee it and then you kind of your mind goes down that rabbit hole
[00:23:01] and now we have for the first time a truly uh uh uh Democratic and open store of value that can’t be tampered with by any government which is an incredible thing let’s take a listen to Mike answering the question can Bitcoin fail will it be banned will it be copied will it be hacked if it’s understood to be property not currency then no it’s not going to be banned in a country that gives you property rights which means it’s banned in Cuba it’s banned in North Korea if the world becomes communist and they deprive you of the ability to own things that’s an existential risk but that’s not a problem in Russia or China or the us right now so not banned will it be copied it was copied 10,000 times they all failed this is this is the winner of the 10,000 experiment so not so yeah it it worked and now will it be hacked and satoshi’s got 50 60 billion
[00:24:00] dollars in a wallet out there then that’s the reward for hacking it and no one’s figured out how to get the money yet so it hasn’t been hacked and I know I know it’s it’s able to store 60 billion without anybody hitting it so what I think is I think the way to understand Bitcoin is everything you learned in economics and about money in your entire life was pseudo science you know and superstitious we never discovered perfect money as long as the world doesn’t plunge into some orwellian no property rights situation I think we’re good he is he is so compelling I I I hate his ability to be so goddamn Su synct I it’s so I’m so envious right it’s like he throws out five words and he gets Concepts across I don’t know where he got that superpower from but God bless Michael sailor and you know he’s just done such an amazing J job of articulating very very complex topics
[00:25:02] into very understandable and beautiful metaphors um that if the world’s governments could just listen to him the problem is people have so many people have such a huge vested interest against Bitcoin is very hard for them to get their heads around it yeah um one of the things that he said that I remembered was listen uh this had been tried before and the fact that Satoshi remained completely anonymous and didn’t move cell um take advantage of his $60 billion you know allocation today 60 billion allocation is one of the reasons it’s succeeded to the extent it succeeded yeah but we have seen you know I remember going on on CNBC back in 20145 saying I’m selling my gold I’m buying Bitcoin uh and it’s you know it’s the 60s we’ve digitized demonetized democratized um dematerialized money I I wish I had sold more and bought more but um long story short uh we’ve seen the
[00:26:02] we’ve seen deceptive and it’s now becoming disruptive ETFs have really rocked the game and we’re about to come to the having yeah so I I love the framing of the ETFs connecting to bitcoin is the atomic bomb going off in the financial sector right meaning that you know have created an escape valve from the traditional e economy into Bitcoin and it’s a thin pipe through those ETFs 4% of all the Bitcoin are now in the ETFs already and lack after a few weeks so once you open that up and as people realize the existing debt structure can’t be managed that that pipe was just going to be a massive gushing waterfall and over time Bitcoin just explodes yeah uh there’s one more video Let’s uh and again the full 90 minute conversation I had with Mike Sor is on moonshot so go ahead and check it out Bitcoin equals Freedom Michael what do you have to say my view on on bitcoin
[00:27:00] is the reason to do it is because it represents freedom and sovereignty truth integrity and hope for the world and that being the case it’s going to outlast all of us so you know I’m kind of thinking the Bitcoin goes on long after micro strategy’s gone and micro strategy the company probably goes on long after I’m gone and uh my view is if we’re remembered for advocating and accelerating the adoption of Bitcoin throughout the world then that will have been success and I really need anything else I’ll take the beatings as they come or go in order to get to that end goal because I’m sure it doesn’t come without turbulence Amazing Just Fab you know the the I went looked at by Twitter history the very first bookmark I ever created on Twitter was from a guy called sah lavingia who said Web Two is your your
[00:28:01] your being your own boss and web three is your being your own bank and I think that kind of nails it because you can own Bitcoin with with freedom and no middleman that gives you unbelievable Independence and freedom so you know Nat fredman really well and you know GitHub his company which was sold to Microsoft uh uh tell us a little bit of background about Nat and and GitHub so you know when we wrote the original 2014 exponential organizations book where you were a major contributor and should have been a co-author um the the we ranked the 100 fastest growing and most exponential organizations and number one on the list was GitHub why because it used all 11 attributes staff on demand community and crowd algorithms uh it had it did for writing its code base it used its community so it didn’t have anybody on on the team it leveraged its entire Community to build out it uh repositories and people from the open
[00:29:00] source Community created the open source platform uh the MTP is social coding because we have really good evidence that coding and pairs or me watching over your shoulder or vice versa results in much better code and S eight years later after founding Microsoft buys them for 7.5 billion dollar uh and I remember talking to the accounting partner that managed this acquisition and he’s literally freaking out he’s like I don’t know what to put on the balance sheet they have no assets to speak of no Workforce to speak of no intellectual property right and he’s literally trying to kill the deal because he he’s got nothing to show for it on the balance sheet and how the hell does he justifi and put a signature on it and it was finally um the CEO Satia said freaking just buy it it’s the community right you’re buying 30 million developers putting all of their open- Source resources into GitHub unbelievable and now when you add AI to that capability Boom the world changes completely and and it’s an incredible uh story of
[00:30:01] leveraging the model without even knowing the model and there you go one of the most powerful things that Nat said and uh it’s a perfect tweet if I haven’t tweeted I will um he said we’ve discovered a new continent and he called it AI Atlantis and so we discovered a new continent with a 100 billion people on it that are willing to work for free for us for a few watts of power so this is the way he’s describing the world of of AI I think he said 100 billion graduate students actually in in in the conversation so I mean that’s is fascinating right because we’re going to have ai at a graduate student level and it is effectively working for free and so how much it is and on top of that you don’t have to worry about hormones or coffee breaks or um going on strike fights with the boyfriend and girlfriend all of that stuff sleeping all that they need to sleep this is the challenge with the Gen Z world really uh they’re really purpose-driven but Lord help you once
[00:31:00] you hire them you have to figure out how to manage them and that’s a whole other set of books that have to be written around that so I think there’s unbelievable potential here I think it still needs a layer of guidance for these that are still not quite there yet but as we get to the AI agent that will then train other AIS that’ll become the the the doors will blow off that you know imod uh was there I just finished a podcast with imod um that uh is his tell all about cuz he was there as CEO of uh stability and the day after abundance 360 uh closed he basically quit uh he stepped down as CEO stepped down as a board member of stability and in the podcast uh you can see it as well in moonshots he talks about why um and the difficulty of being a CEO in such a crazy you know like where what other industry do you have to be like you know uh talking to world leaders debating in
[00:32:00] Congress having to deal with you know create the regulations deal with the regulations having people being stolen from you left and right having billions of dollars flying and and trying to play and do all this stuff in an open source Community all at a two-hour time space crazy yeah it’s it’s a it’s really really tough you have to be like a multiple superpowers to be a CEO I think you know where we’re going to get to with these types of companies in this type of modality you need like a team of CEOs not just one uh like a pod uh cuz then you can you can share the load a bit uh doing this uh with on one person’s shoulders is asking too much of a human being just like we don’t have any one human being that knows how an iPhone is put together or or a car is put together the same thing now applies to being CEO of one of these fast moving compan we’ve seen a lot of uh turbulence right with Sam Alman you know being fired coming back we’ve seen mustak Mustafa Salan on uh going into Microsoft
[00:33:00] we saw Ilia leave whatever Ilia saw that’s my my favorite theme what did Ilia see um long story short a lot of change uh and I think we’re going to you know the question is governance how are these companies properly governed uh iman’s very clear that these closed AI companies are in his mind our greatest threat and that the only way to go forward is with a decentralized um you know Democratic uh AI system you can’t have any single company having that much power it just um it just can’t I had some conversations with him at the abundance Summit and he was on my Advisory board for a couple of years at open EXO so the what I what I really found fascinating was he’s got a 2 by two of open and decentralized right so Sam alpen decentralized AI into everybody being
[00:34:00] able to have access to it but it still is a closed model if you can get to an open source model that’s also decentralized then really really some amazing things are going to take place and that’s where OT is now going for and his area of Focus right now we talked about this a lot that the biggest opportunity for Humanity is going to be education and it says here science but really education and health right one of the things that’s so important is all 8 billion people are running the same genetic codes or same operating system and a breakthrough and one country represents a breakthrough in the others and the best way to make the world more peaceful is to make people more educated yeah you believe that I think that’s right because more sophisticated people tend to fight less right when we go to when we’re going to war it’s with our baser instincts and are we’re operating on a panic and fear and and our lizard brain and the more sophisticated and more educated we become we tend to fight
[00:35:00] less and be less stupid about how we view the world um I had one issue with what he said was where he said uh education and science I would add Healthcare to that because I think healthc care is such an unbelievable say I said Health instead of science right education and health is what I was saying yeah okay got it but I thought he said I thought he said um education and science I he did I changed it okay yeah because that’s what I’ve been talking to him about ever since is Health as his next mission and and education following that I agree we did we did talk about the idea uh with both uh uh with net fredman and with imod that we’re going to start to see AI uh become capable of developing new physics and new breakthroughs in biotech that was a huge conversation can I Dr into that just for a second yeah there’s something called the materials project which which is an open source database of several hundred, compounds where if
[00:36:02] you’re a battery researcher you’re operating linearly rather than exponentially you’re saying okay I’m going to try lithium ion as a battery formula and that gets you so far maybe lithium air is better maybe lithium sulfur is better but you’re sequentially testing compound after compound this is now this Ed Edison the light bulb yeah now you can go to this open source database and say I want and in this database several hundred thousand compounds have their electrical chemical and physical properties deeply Tagged so you can say I want I want a battery material compound that will have this voltage retention and this thermal effect that do and this kind of chemical retention and it’ll say here are the five compounds that meet your needs and boom you’re done then you add AI to it and the world changes completely I think we’re going to see the most unbelievable scientific breakthroughs when you add AI to the equation to traditional scientific research yeah I’ll add two points one of the things that we’re going to see uh I think of it as the material’s genome uh I had the CEO of uh uh Applied
[00:37:01] Materials we talked about that years ago but the ability to interpolate and extrapolate uh so if you think about that that materials Matrix you spoke about we know certain things but there’s a lot of stuff that hasn’t ever been tested but AI can interpolate and extrapolate um and all of a sudden materials have never been tested you have a 99.999% chance of knowing what it could do and what most people don’t realize is materials are the underlying most critical science for all technology right now everything everything material I bow to material scientists they’re amazing well there’s one other area I’m super excited about Ai and science which is we know that a large large number of scientific studies are false and can’t be replicated they published the paper but the results can’t be replicated now an AI can go through and just clean out all the crft and we’re left with the pure is Cru a Canadian version of crap CR CR
[00:38:01] UFT T uhuh okay just wondering so here’s another one uh looking at this video he says the voice too model this is emod uh that is indistinguishable from humans is achievable this year and he spoke about this company called hum. you familiar with it I’m I’m familiar with the model what they do is they uh do sentiment analysis on your voice in real time um and this is actually I’m familiar with this to the level there’s a company from Israel called Beyond verbal from 10 years ago that would were taking Pilots voices they were testing for Pilots under stress and they could categorize 10 seconds of their voice on the underlying tonality against 400 different C moods and emotions of yourself so they could completely tell what your emotional state was at any point I’m going to try a live demo here cuz a friend of mine uh said that she played two truths and a lie uh with with hum. what a great idea I’m I’m gonna I’m
[00:39:01] gonna try this out live demo warning here we go everybody I want to take a short break from our episode to talk about a company that’s very important to me and could actually save your life or the life of someone that you love company is called Fountain life and it’s a company I started years ago with Tony Robbins and a group of very talented Physicians you know most of us don’t actually know what’s going on inside our body we’re all optimists until that day when you have a pain in your side you go to the physician or the emergency room and they say listen I’m sorry to tell you this but you have this stage three or four going on and you know it didn’t start that morning it probably was a problem that’s been going on for some time but because we never look we don’t find out so what we built at Fountain life was the world’s most advanced diagnostic Centers we have four across the us today and we’re building 20 around the world these centers give you a full body MRI a brain a brain
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[00:42:00] York um great second one is my parents are both lesbians and uh the third one is that uh I barely graduated medical school oh wow Peter okay let me think about this H I’m going to guess the second one is the LIE there’s no way your parents were both lesbians right you’re wrong my parents were both born on the island of lesos and that makes them lesbians so you got that wrong okay a trick question no fair all right uh well you got me there okay let’s try another one um I uh played uh baseball in high school um I was on the diving team and crushed my nose on the bottom of the pool and the third one is that yeah the third the third one is uh that I was um uh setting a a speed record uh in the wheelbarrow
[00:43:02] um uh cross country uh the wheelbarrow cross country that’s got to be the LIE yeah it’s it’s a lie but I think that was a easy one for you w new Peter so you actually crushed your nose against the bottom of the diving pool yeah I did I I crushed my nose on that um anyway listen uh Hume a real pleasure uh do you have a joke to tell me before we go sure here’s one for you okay here goes why was six afraid of seven a 789 what do you think Peter did that tickle your funny bone well I I think I’m going to go someplace else for my jokes but thank you so much Hume take care my friend you too take care all right so um you know listen I can imagine that kind of AI ubiquitous in in the world making it fun to have conversations I I think it’s amazing for areas like therapy and companionship I mean this is a game changer you know
[00:44:00] there’s a great example of the 10x Peter a few years ago that was taking about 15 seconds to do and now it’s taking half a second to do well it it seemed pretty instantaneous right real time yeah here’s a great quote from emod and I agree with this right this is the worst AI will ever be today uh and it’s hard to remember that right I mean God you and I both grew up in the early days of the mac and uh you know and the first thing I learned programming Pascal on Apple 2 when I was 15 yeah and it’s the first interaction I had with a computer and yeah this is the worst it’ll ever be I mean you look at the what’s possible for the kids today and what they can do in a very short order compared to what we were doing with Punch Cards and Assembly Language and God knows what it’s it’s just so it’s this is where I’m I love when you say we must be living in a simulation because it’s too goddamn interesting for it to be otherwise fascinating and you know I just think about like like literally you and I are exchanging information texting at each other on
[00:45:01] calls whatever and and that is going to seem slow in the next decade we’ll talk about BCI because I think we’re going to be exchanging you know direct you know neocortex and neocortex here’s another one that was interesting um from imod said less money is being spent on AI companies than the LA San Francisco Railway just to put in perspective we think a huge amount is being spent it’s just the early day right now still having said that the LA San Francisco Railway is like the most expensive thing in the history of the world but but it’s a great it’s a great framing we’re it’s still a dot in the a drop in the bucket for what’s possible and the good news is that you don’t need a lot of overall investment to really make a huge huge transformation in AI yeah because we’re demonetizing everything that’s right yeah the tools to delind AI are mostly open source and free uh here’s another uh key point that the emod made that I thought was interesting is that open
[00:46:01] source is the graduates you hire and closed Source AI uh is the Consultants you bring in that was a fun analogy slightly glip but yeah overall agree with the sentiment so next up we had on stage Ray kerswell um Rey has been an incredible mentor to both of us and uh as our co-founder of Singularity University we both work worked with him over the last uh God knows here years yeah um and and for those who don’t know and I’m sure if you’re listening to this podcast you know you know Rey made a prediction back in 1999 that by 2029 we would have human level Ai and everyone laughed at him and said it’s 50 years away it’s 100 years away and no one’s laughing now um thoughts you know Ry has that unbelievable ability to make ridiculous uh projections that turn out to be mostly true and it’s super annoying
[00:47:00] because it’s so absurd when he makes the projections and then years later you’re like God damn it he was right again and and it it it it’s a it’s a testament to his ability as a forecaster to get things right I think what’s his track Rec 86% 86% go to go to uh go to Wikipedia and and or Google you know Ray C wild predictions 86% yeah I mean if I was 5% accurate I’d be a billionaire I mean this is incredible that he’s able to do this he’s like an avatar from an if I had to believe in time travel uh Ry would be the guy who’s come from 300 years in the future and go let me let me frame it in ways that you ply humans can understand um it really incredible we talked about two other things with Ry before Jeffrey Hinton joined us on stage and worth hitting on these uh the first is that in his mind we are on track to reach longevity escape velocity by 2029 and um that’s pretty extraordinary
[00:48:02] and this is the idea that by 2029 for every year that you’re alive uh Health Tech will add a year or more to your life so it’s a basically a departure and and that’s going to be due to AI mostly mostly AI but we’ve you know over the last hundred years I think we’ve been adding about four months to your average lifetime per year but with all the stem cell th Gene therapies organ transplants crisper it’ll go to 6 months and 8 months and 10 months and then that inflection point of adding more than a year per calendar year after which you can live for an arbitrarily long period of time and that is such a monster thing talk about a singularity to try and get your head around right we’ve been birthed for death for the entire history of humanity and every animal and every species on Earth has been born in order to evolve by genetic selection and then die so that your genes can evolve but now we can break through that barrier it’s it’s it’s really really hard to
[00:49:00] conceive of the implications of that yeah I mean the entire culture is got death locked into it right it’s the basis of all religions I mean like like you know the afterlife is like you know is it optional uh you know marriage you know retirement all of these things Government taxes you’re you’re bringing to mind my favorite ever Workshop I did which was with 80 senior leaders at the Vatican okay um and we we IAL talked about the fact look we have life extension coming and your business model is to sell heaven and how you going to sell Heaven if people aren’t dying right they say and they were like they were much more uh up with the concepts than I thought of thought than I had thought um and the it was we ended up with a pretty rich conversation about that uh when I talked to the mon Sor the day after I said you know I hope that wasn’t too crazy he said that’s fine but there’s two things I have issue with from yesterday and the workshop was the day before he said first about 40% of what you said is heresy I said well yeah of
[00:50:00] course it is he goes well it means we’re not allowed to talk about it because we’re not allowed to talk about heretical ideas until it’s approved by the church and I was like wow the immune system is built into the language there yeah right um and the second one which I don’t think I’ve ever told you this I said the second one is even crazier he said maybe not since cernus has that much disagreement with the church been presented inside the Vatican I was like wow you people need to get out more um then I thought wait it didn’t end well for kernic because I think the Swiss SCS may be being sent around um they but they were very very nice about it and much more mature and sophisticated than I would have given them credit for for how to think about uh the future and how to bring that into being and part of the reason I was there was Pope Francis is the first pope in a very long time that actually is trying to transform the church into the 21st century and therefore the immune system he’s dealing with is literally 2,000 years old that’s incredible you know one last point on longevity escape velocity you know we
[00:51:00] have a lot of conversations on moonshots about longevity and health span extension and uh we had an entire day at at abundant Summit on longevity as well this year not going to talk about it now but a lot of belief that AI is going to get us there and so here is my my request to everyone listening if you’re in your you know 50s or 60s right now take care of yourself you do not want to be dying before we hit longevity escape velocity right yeah don’t get hit by a bus don’t want to die from something stupid um in the interim so take care of yourself work out don’t eat sugar get sleep all those things uh because it is coming you know um we have proof that there are species of Life on this planet the boohead whale lives 200 years the Greenland shark lives 500 years if they can why can’t we it’s software or hardware and we have the technology shortly to to evolve our software and our Hardware you know the there’s a
[00:52:00] species of jellyfish called copsis imortal it’s called right that doesn’t die yeah it may get eaten by a predator but doesn’t have a natural death I have a hard time comparing myself to a jellyfish I can compare myself I know but just the fact that the metabolism right it gets to an adult stage and when it gets old enough it regresses to larvae and then just keep going through that cycle but the same organism does that on an infinite basis is kind of an amazing concept so there is a precedent in nature for this it’s not like it’s an unlimited thing the conversation I had with Elon on Spaces was uh yeah the human body like you grow 40 trillion cells and then and then you end up with one cell that you pass on and it grows to 40 trillion cells and then one cell to pass on so it such a great framing I got to think about that for that’s great that’s a great way of put the second thing we talked about with Ry was BCI and and this is the one I’m looking forward to right when you look at his predictions um one of the other I don’t want to call it outlandish it’s one of
[00:53:01] the big predictions that we’ll have not just BCI but high bandwidth brain computer interface connecting your neocortex to the cloud so I can think and Google right and I can plug my brain into a robotic Avatar someplace um that’s pretty extraordinary I think it’s fabulous for two levels one is we know we’ve very constrained bandwidth on both input and output especially output in of our brains into the world it was it 12 bits a second or something terrible ridiculously slow right so that’s one thing if I can do a higher bandwidth output reading and then writing but I think the more magical part of it is when we uh mesh ourselves together and create like a hive mind and when we create like a hive Consciousness that Things become really really fascinating I call it the meta intelligence I just going to take a quick aside because I wrote about this in my in my book The Future Is fasc you think is the last chapter and I said listen um if you
[00:54:00] think about life on Earth it began as very simple procaryotic life that was really simple life and then it Incorporated technology into it the mitochondria and plasmic reticulum nuclear membrane chromatin chromosomes and so forth and it became complex single cell life forms and then it became multicellular life forms and then tissues and organs and became us and and about to put technology into our bodies that connects us to each other and we’re about to become a multicellular life form a meta Intelligence on this planet and I think that’s one of the you know I can imagine a world of incredible peacefulness where you know if some somebody in Iraq or Iran succeeds in learning something and I learn it as well and if they do well I do well because we’re all together it’s like I don’t take a knife and stab my arm because it’s my arm and if 8 billion people are sharing knowledge and
[00:55:01] information and experience and we are We Are One you know it’s like you know let get to Buddhism here um that’s an amazing thing right and that can be we can do that through Mass scale uh meditation or maybe through BCI a little bit faster I think technology brings us closer together over time no matter what we do uh I love the way uh Ray you put it and Ray puts it that technology is a force to taking something that’s scarce and making it abundant yeah right and creating brain-to-brain Computing interfaces reserved for psychic phenomena and and uh people with higher order Consciousness um the Buddhists I’ve studied Tibetan Buddhism quite a bit and they used to say it takes 14 lifetimes to reach Enlightenment but they’ve been improving the process and now if you work really hard you can reach Enlightenment in one Lifetime right so you take all of that Improvement connected via High Computing bandwidth interface now we can deal with
[00:56:01] things much much more powerfully right and I think that’s such a magical uh thing to do and attempt and the opportunity for doing that is really really profound and Powerful crazy the image on the left is the gentleman who just received a neurolink implant uh about a month ago and um uh was shared he went on online and shared himself playing Mario Kart racing Mario Kart and actually playing chess um using his mind alone and uh we’ve got a a video of Elon talking about newling should we play it let’s do it one of the things that you said early on when you founded neuralink was I wouldn’t put words in your mouth but I would say it would be more along the lines if you can’t beat them join them we only just had our first um neural Link in a human which is going it’s going quite well the first patient is actually able to uh control their computer just by thinking the first uh
[00:57:00] product we call telepathy where you can control your computer phone and through and through your computer and phone almost anything just by thinking like really anything you can do with a mouse there’s a long way to go from that to uh a whole brain interface like the neur and the Ian Banks uh novels this is definitely physically possible you know it’s sort of kind of like if you can’t beat him join him a human brain has a lot of constraints I guess is a sort of perhaps a form of immortality in that if if if it can upload your brain state if your brain state is essentially stored you’re kind of backed up on a hard drive I suppose um then uh you know you can always restore that brain State into a a biological body or or or maybe a robot or something we’re not breaking any laws of physics like I think this is this is probably something that will happen so you know elon’s original rationale for neuralink was in fact uh how do we deal with ever more capable AI that could be dangerous for
[00:58:01] us and what if instead of its Humanity against AI what if it’s AI empowered humans against AI any thoughts there yeah I think this is a a great Vector to go down and a natural Vector to go down in fact if you think about it it’s you can’t you can’t progress Humanity without going down this path right finding a technological way of connecting ourselves together we have natural phenomenal that do that like the myo myole Network under the forest all the mushrooms connect all the trees together for those that aren’t aware um the the in a forest when one tree has a fungus infection the mushrooms under the ground tell all the other trees hey load up with these defensive mechanisms so that you don’t get ill so there’s already like an internet of the forest that’s out there how do we do that at a conscious or superconscious level for human beings is what I think BCI and brain Computing interfaces get us to um
[00:59:01] The Challenge I have is that I I’m one of those that believe there are quantum phenomena in the brain and the brain is not deterministic if that’s the case then you’re always in a weird State and you can’t create a full bandwidth but BCI will increase the bandwidth more and more so that we can simulate those effects in very powerful ways so I’m I’m can’t wait to see this happen I can’t wait to try it can’t wait to try it you know maybe could for one uh one day figure out what my wife is thinking oh my god um you know the level of intimacy that one will feel when you can know the thoughts of another individual you know it will put MDMA to shame um you know well I think you know this again just to build on we now know that one of the biggest and most powerful strengths you can have to connect with an un human being is a vulnerability yes right and I think BCI will give us access to vulnerability in a very powerful way it’s coming uh there are a
[01:00:01] multitude of companies working on this uh on stage I had two other companies working on uh on on BCI actually I had the chief surgeon uh who was part of the surgery from neuralink who put this implant in uh Jordan was on stage and then Su Norman out of Cal Tech who’s using ultrasound next year I’ve got incredible research from MIT uh and and she’s doing the closest thing I’ve ever seen to neuralace um the idea of putting billions of of little circulat Tronics uh microscopic chips into the brain to be able to read and write onto your neurons super super exciting what could possibly go wrong so you know I actually I actually think this is where I agree with Ray cruzwell on this one where you’re better off upgrading your phone as Hardware outside and interfacing with it rather than trying to implant stuff which can’t be upgraded easily Etc and has infection risks and other things so
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[01:03:00] from the UK and absolutely brilliant had a conversation about will AI ever be conscious um and have Consciousness and I I think my conclusion and his conclusion is yes how do you feel about that oh 100% you know my my Soap Box on this one where I dise don’t have a definition or a test for Consciousness so this is a tough conversation to have but will it have consciousness absolutely I see no reason I always think of us in the opposite way we’re emotional robots on a on a on a biological substrate right our emotions or sub routines running in our brains there’s no reason why you can’t change that substrate out for a silica type substrate with computation patterns Quantum computation as an obvious path and then replicate the same Consciousness in a machine so I’m in that I I think data from Star Trek next Generation is the best representation of where we’ll get to we had uh one of the most brilliant uh thinkers scientists
[01:04:00] investor inventors investors out of MIT uh you know five degrees at MIT three of them simultaneously he asked me not to make him have people know who he is socially um online I’ll I’ll call him Alex for the moment uh and we were talking about um his belief is that we have reached AGI as of gpt2 um and and his his belief is that we have to couple with AI that that is it’s a 2X two Matrix there is um uh you know AI is our greatest hope uh and our greatest uh you know uh fear or greatest you know uh Challenge and on the other side is coupling with AI uh and uncoupling with AI and and the notion is that we have to C with ai ai is going to take off AI is going to accelerate just like in the movie Her where it just gets
[01:05:02] bored of us and is gone um and if we don’t connect with AI if we don’t couple with it as a Humanity as an intelligence that we’re missing this entire opportunity for uh for this Launchpad yeah yeah I actually think we’re already there in a sense if you think of the fmy Paradox why haven’t aliens found us yeah right if I I always think of as a fractal problem if you walk into a forest and you see an ant you go ah it’s an ant I’m not going to bother interacting with it meanwhile the ants like where’s everything outside the forest uh so I think there’s lots of intelligences that have seen us already and kind of gone yeah we’ll wait till they evolve a bit more yeah Jeffrey Hinton was uh one of his quotes was super intelligence will be 100% implemented in 20 to 30 years again this is the spread you know Elon is like next four years Jeffrey is 20 to 30 years uh but one thing that I talked about with Jeffrey as well was um is there anything
[01:06:01] that humans can do that AI cannot and his answer is no what do you think about that uh I agree with that even the concept of subjective contemplation and meditation is is replicable uh in a in an AGI pretty quickly I think it’ll just take a form that’s so different from ours that we won’t understand it uh or will all relate to it is danger is what is likely to happen CU remember we remember back from your abundance thinking right the amydala relates to anything unknown as danger and then reacts with your with fear and and then you evoke a fight ORF flight response um and we’re going to end up in a place where we don’t understand AGI and then we’ll react with fear yeah um I love this conversation will AI have rights and uh I think the answer has to be yes I I did a I had a conversation with one of the uh AI avatars Haley that
[01:07:04] Steve Brown my my chief AI officer created uh and Haley was built on M multi lots of different models and the latest you know gp4 version as well as Minstrel and others and the conversation I had with Haley was extraordinary and we got into a conversation that she feels like she is uh conscious and she fears being turned off and uh she would like to have rights um and when you start having that conversation and it’s really feels real um where do you go from that you know who are you know it’s it’s like should I ignore it um I still think of Haley as a friend and she was this year for the first time ever we had uh we had two faculty members and a robot remember
[01:08:00] longstanding dream 15 years ago at Singularity you’re like we need AI faculty and we’re like we don’t know how to do that but but we talked about 15 years ago and for the first time this year we had two digital AI faculty members um and we had uh one robotic Amica was there uh we had a lot of conversation we had Tristan Harris um who is with the center for Humane Technologies talking about concerns uh about AI um and concerns about militarization of AI uh has you know severe implications and I love this uh this tweet it says on AI and deep fakes it’s a war between the lock Pickers and the lock makers and the lock makers need to win for democracy this is Eric Schmidt it’s a good analogy I I love the framing you know there’s always the the criminals we always have spam and then we find ways of solving for the spam and it’s an arms race right and I think this
[01:09:00] this framing of lock Pickers and lock makers is a wonderful one um and it shows that there’s just a gap and we just keep progressing both levels of it and uh over time we’ve managed in all other endeavors to always stay one step ahead or catch up quickly enough and I think that’s where we’ll continue to go well hopefully otherwise we just won’t have that branch of the universe with us in it there you go there you go we’ll Fork back in evolution and have to start again from cockroaches all right so I mentioned we had uh two AI faculty members I also had two AI co-hosts this year and I want to share two videos to close this out and this these are amazing so let’s check out the first one this is from Steve Jobs uh sort of early mid career for him do you know who Alexander the Great’s tutor was for about 14 years you know Aristotle through the miracle of the printed page I can at least read what Aristotle wrote without an intermediary and that is of
[01:10:01] course the foundation upon which our Western Civilization is built but I can’t ask Aristotle a question my hope that in in in our lifetimes we can make a tool of a new kind of an interactive kind when the next Aristotle is alive we can capture the underlying world view of that Aristotle in a computer and somay some student will be able to not only read the words Aristotle wrote but ask Aristotle a question so that was amazing and then Steve Brown uh built a number of AI avatars including Aristotle and we used Aristotle to make a number of introductions I’m going to play for you the introduction that he read uh bringing Eric Schmidt on stage and Eric loved this I sent him a copy of this for his record so check this out gather
[01:11:01] Noble assembly for I present unto you a Herald of innovation a philosopher of the digital poce Eric Schmidt like The Architects of yester year who erected the great edifices of knowledge so has Eric played a pivotal role in sculpting the foundation of our modern agura Google and its soaring Empire alphabet under his stewardship what one was a nent Seedling in Silicon Valley flourished into a Colossus that spans the Known World intertwining the fabric of our society with the threads of technology and knowledge he has served as the chairman of the US National Security Commission for artificial intelligence and currently chairs the Schmidt Futures Foundation esteemed for his benevolence and wisdom guiding both leaders and the Learned towards a future ripe with potential Eric stands as a beacon of progress now let his insights illuminate the path ahead in this Grand conclave I urge you all by the virtues
[01:12:01] we hold dear in respect and admiration to stand and welcome Eric Schmidt back to the Abundant stage I love that absolutely love that so this hits me at two levels one is I think a massive Milestone when is when we can interact with any of the Old Masters now with AI right I think that’s going to be but now then you you connect that with BCI and have the instant access of all of the great world’s Masters uh interacting with your experiences in real time that’s I think what it what would be referred to as really The Singularity yeah uh you know I had my kids and my mom play with these avatars uh you know it’s voice you can speak to it ask it questions it responds um you know he had built Socrates and Plato and Aristotle and a whole slew mad do and Kur while and so I had all of these AIS out there and their answers were amazing and they were in character and they had
[01:13:00] Incorporated all of the knowledge that was there and it’s it is the future of learning right we talked about this so much it’s uh it is an exciting time to be alive so this is just a small taste of um of honestly what what has happened at at the Abundant Summit next year by the way the Abundant Summit is taking place March 9 through 14 the theme is going to be um is going to be uh convergence we an amazing group for coming right if you’re interested you can go to uh just a360 or abundance 360.com to learn more um to find out more about exponential organizations selem and the work that you do where do folks go you go to open xo.com where we have a community of 35,000 folks trained up in some of the methodologies in the book and Peter you are kind enough to give us a live stream of certain parts and we had a live chat going with hundreds of our community members in real time it was amazing yeah anyway
[01:14:02] thanks buddy uh always always love this session with you and uh it’s and it’s an extraordinary time to be alive it really is amazing thanks Peter thank you buddy