we’re literally within a sight of that type of abundance where every single person on the planet can be fed and clothed and have 5 years 10 years or 20 years I think we’re within 5 years now things get really interesting because you get a distributed intelligence that can be applied uh learn once and apply a million times every percent increase I can increase my brain processing power that’s just a Game Changer the ability to think things into existence is going to be powerful people forget that scaling things is an engineering problem not an invention problem once you figure out the invention of it then the scaling is actually not that difficult we tend to make linear our future extrapolations even though we’re faced with this amazing exponential growth welcome back to moonshots Peter dandis here and this is my favorite segment of the month it’s WTF just
[00:01:00] happened in technology with my dear brother selem Ismael we’re going to be looking at what just happened in the news uh and what’s hot and what we think of it so let’s jump in selem welcome pal to here good to be back yeah I mean it’s a it’s blinding speed and uh I don’t know I’m I’m having a blast well I think it’s just so interesting every day you have no idea what’s going to show up your mind is blown every month or two with something that happens so you almost want to do this more often than monthly just because there’s so much going on oh I’ll call you every morning Lily will be really upset at me but uh you know it really is I mean I literally wake up the first thing I do is I I look at my my Google news I look at my my I gotta say Twitter stream you know I just Ian it’s like I would I did a I did a podcast with Elon and I’m like you know it’s like do I call it what do I call it I ex I’m looking at my xtram I guess it’s like it will eventually flip
[00:02:02] our neuron right we will eventually let go of Twitter and but he needs to give us something to hold on to that’s right because I think it’ll happen when he’s doing Payment Processing yeah for me the thing that’s going to be a game changer is when he allows turns every crypto user and gives every ex user or Twitter user a crypto wallet yeah for sure and that’s going to be an inflection point you’ll be instantly the biggest bank in the world yeah I mean it it will give you a x will give you Sovereign identity yeah and a wallet yeah and an interfaced all crypto and nfts and everything you own and it will be the everything it’ll make Amazon look like really small potatoes so I would never you know people say you know would you bet on Elon and stuff I would never bet against him well this is the key point right people complain about it and I have my I have my big beefs about Twitter and and and what’s going on there um but when he looks when you talk to him about that
[00:03:00] and you hear him speak about that and he says I’m we’re swinging for the fences and we may throw out a bunch of features that don’t work but one out of five could be a home run and then off you go yeah right and that’s just awesome yeah so I teed up a few fun news items that really like like Snap My gaze uh here’s the first one I I found amazing uh this year Google is spending more on compute than people so Google invests 30 billion on data Center expenditures and Microsoft 50 billion um insane right so it’s another Tipping Point is the amount of Chip compute over brain compute on the planet and I think we passed that or about to pass that the amount of processing power resident in 8 billion brains which is 100 billions 100 billion neurons per brain 100 trillion synoptic connections per brain I mean it’s just a lot of zeros but the you’re saying the chip compute exceeds the brain compute
[00:04:00] globally I think it’s either we past that or it’s very close and and people um so this is fascinating right so where do you if you’re a tech company where do you spend your next 100,000 or your next 100 million do you do you hire smarter people or do you spend it on on Tech well I think you spend it on Tech and you goes to that comment we had the other week where we said you can now build a billion dollar company with three people yeah right uh Sam just set a one person with a billion dollar company by the way so you know it’s just shrinking to to absurd levels uh and the value creation I think delivered by so for our for our moonshot listeners your goal to take a moonshot is it’s a billion dollar company with one person or a 100 billion person with a company with three people I mean it’s the other flip side of it is are we about to demonetize the the economy where money has that much less I I think this is it speaks to your abundance concept right like when once you have abundance then
[00:05:01] money does kind of does matter yeah and everybody has a lot of whatever they can tip I think I don’t know why we can flip as quickly as possible into like a burning man type economy which is a gifting economy and if you need stuff we your scand clothed at least the weather if the weather provides it this year it was the mud mud economy it was like the economy at Burning Man this year during the uh during the Reigns was plastic bags to wrap around your sneakers right so that you could actually make it through the mud yeah I mean yeah and those are you know very high class problems but I think as we deliver more and more you know imagine a little community in the western Sahara right you have water extraction out of the atmosphere you have satellite internet by sterlink you have uh um energy production by solar you have local battery you got protein production via vertical
[00:06:01] micro like kind and I think we’re we’re literally a s of that type of abundance where every single person on the planet can be fed and clothed and have 5 years 10 years or 20 years I think we’re within five years that interesting you know of course the end point when I was in at MIT as a as a undergrad and grad student there was a guy named Eric Drexler there of course so Eric wrote uh an amazing book um I’m so proud I was credited and the opening notes of that book I reviewed this draft it’s called the engines of creation yeah and he talks about the future of nanotech yeah right where uh where we have assemblers and an assembler for those who don’t know because you had you know haven’t read engines of creation or you don’t know you’re not a geek um or enough of a geek but most people listening this are uh an assembler is a little micro a molecular machine that can pull a carbon atom from here a you
[00:07:02] know nitrogen from here a silicon from here and and build things on an atomic level and so if I have an assembler in my hand and I command it to you know generate uh you know copy itself and I give you one yeah now you got an assembler I have an assembler now I take my assembler and I throw it in the in the ground and I say build me an electric Ferrari yeah and it says okay I’m going to get the the design the data is open source it’s free y right the energy to build it is from solar or Fusion it’s effectively free and then it’s really the material cost yeah um and you may need to throw at a chunk of titanium or lithium or something but all of a sudden stuff becomes really cheap well I remember um Ralph Merkel talking about this yeah and he said you should be able to build anything for about a dollar a pound yeah Ralph was one of our faculty members in the nanotech field at Singularity University in the early days brilliant guy more famous because I
[00:08:02] remember you know this but in one of the lectures somebody said are you Ralph Merkel from Merkel hasht trees and Merkel hash trees are the basis of Bitcoin yeah it’s the one-way encryption and he goes yeah that was me but that was like you know decades ago so in the 1980s he conceived of Merkel hashes which then 30 years later so I actually did a session with him about about two years ago an interview I said where are we going with computation yes and goes oh I’m working on a paper that for thermodynamically reversible computation which means you take the heat out of the computation I said how do you get there he goes well if you do computation using molecular bonds to form the ones or zeros you essentially can read your right and then you don’t generate any heat I’m like okay and what will that give us he goes oh 10 orders of magnitude on top of this the transistors per per square millimeter at least 10 extra zeros Mor laws another 10
[00:09:00] orders of magnitude on just from that right and you’re like okay in terms of a bridge to Quantum or whatever like this is so this is you know people get worried that we’re running out of um uh computational capability and you talk to Ralph and it just goes so far past what you’re thinking and and this is the this is where people kind of really lose their way they get so stuck on oh silicon chips can only deliver so much right and then you have to go to them and go listen we have PK coming which Tak widely abundant it’s like a and and they’re just working on how to scaling it and people forget that scaling things is an engineering problem not an invention problem yeah right and once you figure out the invention of it then the scaling is actually not that difficult you know it’s like you know nothing can go past the steam engine nothing can travel faster than a horse or or train it’s over and over again I mean haven’t when do we actually figure that out and stop saying never it’s insane well Ray figured it out a while ago yeah Rell Rell and the rest of us
[00:10:01] are kind of catching up to it now right yeah um so here’s another story from the used uh this week um and this is a company in Silicon Valley called Figure uh full disclosure my Venture fund is an investor in figure and uh there’s a whole breed of humanoid robots coming out I want to talk about three of them um and uh at uh the gentleman who is the CE CEO of figure um has built a number of moonshot companies uh previous to this but here’s a quick video clip of figure making a cup of coffee let’s check it out can you make me a cup of [Music] coffee
[00:11:00] [Music] that might not look as impressive as it is I was talking to Brett Adcock who’s the CEO he’s the moonshot entrepreneur in here and he was telling me about um a day where they went from programming this to like how to move the joints and so forth to the day they had generative AI watch a human do that thing over and over and over again and the generative AI model is what the software that drives that thing right so what we’re seeing is basically a neural net inside this robot watching and learning by repetition which is the way kids learn yeah yeah so I have an issue all right but before let me show you one other news so this came
[00:12:01] out today um and this is Microsoft and open AR and talks to inject 500 million dollars into humanoid robotics um in particular with figure AI so I don’t know what your issue is but Microsoft and open AI think it’s worth a half a billion dollars of injected Capital so tell me your issue now because this this is my defense mechanism that’s fair enough you know when you talk about there may be lots of classes of applications where robots human robots are really valuable mining applications where it’s really dangerous or toxic environment for example bring me my dinner well no I think that’s where it falls down so let me give you the example the robot or the case study the the the an the anecdote here so take a Roomba vacuum cleaner robot okay okay once you use Roomba for a while you stop using it why because uh you you still have to go and prep the room for the robot you have to pick up all the candry off the things and da d da d da and it gets stuck on slanted things there’s
[00:13:00] like a hundred little things that can’t you must have an old room and by the time you finished kind of configuring room you might as well just vacuum the room yourself right this is the same difficulty with uh self-driving cars where and and and God knows I’m one of the people that die I’m dying for the soft driving car okay so listen you got a Tesla by the way I’ve got a Tesla that I’ve driven four times from Miami to Toronto or New York and back so I’ve crossed the country I may be the one of the longest distance driving Tesla drivers owners anywhere in the world okay I’ve done 10,000 miles back and forth okay now it’s incredibly valuable getting on the highway hitting the button for autonomous mode and then eating a sh but you don’t have the self driving beta right now right which which I do just a straight autopilot I know and and so the the self-driving mode right will take me from door to door without me touching anything a few moments of you know being a little bit nervous but it works amazing yeah and and Phoenix now has self-driving taxis
[00:14:01] wh Etc and it’s coming but look how long it’s taken we kind of we first posited that in 2012 2013 that within 5 six years you’d have a large percentage a meaningful percentage we were off by that and here’s why okay it turns was slow no no it’s it’s the fact that that driving which is moving around in a physical environment is just inherently very hard yeah you drive you you weave a little bit to avoid a I live in New Jersey okay there’s pothole Central my apologies okay um and and you weave around a pothole a self-driving car doesn’t see any of that stuff okay and so there’s lots of little things it’ll get there eventually but it’s like the Roomba it’s just going to take a long time before it gets to the point where it can handle those things there was a change this year pal there was a fundamental change this year so I still so I call it the that’s my version of The Uncanny Valley for robotics is like dealing with these stupid niggly so what’s the uncanny valy the UNC County Valley is um adap
[00:15:02] physical adapt adaptation to local physical phenomena is just a really difficult task can I go back and tell a story about Dan Barry here yeah so Dan Barry was a astronaut faculty member yeah he flown five times yeah so he was building robots at home and he was building robots he was trying to build intelligent robots and is and he was like talking about intelligence etc etc and his wife who’s a neuroscientist says you’re an idiot come outside and let me show you something so they go outside and she’s like show me everything with a brain and everything that doesn’t have her brain out in the out in the garden in the woods around and he’s like well I don’t know like the squirrel has a brain da D and she said it’s really simple anything that moves around in the world has a brain anything that doesn’t move around in the world like a tree doesn’t really it may have a nervous system except but it doesn’t have a brain in the classical sense it seems we’ve evolved brains purely adapt to moving around in physical space okay there’s an amazing animal called a SE squirt which
[00:16:00] in its laral stage moves around the ground and filter and and moves around catching things Etc and has a brain then it when it graduates to being an adult it plants itself on a rock and it filter fees from that on like a lawyer like and and the first thing it does when it fil plants itself it eats its own brain like lawyer it eats its own brain and now it never needs a brain anymore so it turns out to to have a brain you the reason you we have brains is to move around in the physical domain I think that and in fact it’s a great distinction there’s a lot of individuals who feel like we don’t have fullon ai until we embody AIS into physical robots yeah now there’s lots of ways of doing it like if I had a an a robot that I was kind of transporting into or bridging into right and I could move with my horns like the Avatar xprize thing that you had uh and there’s there’s models like that there’s other models where um the now I did get very excited when we were talking when
[00:17:00] we first saw the backer robot okay I remember backer right now I got super excited for a specific thing cuz I have a computer science software development background if you used to program an industrial robot to say pick up a widget turn 90 Dees move over here turn back put it down type of thing you had to program every step in that path and it took a long time hundreds of instructions just to do this little thing okay and with Baxter you could move its arms and show it what to do stock picking whatever and it would then go oh I get it and it would just do its own thing and I thought that was a massive step change which is roughly what you’re referencing well it’s actually a step further here so for example Tesla this earlier in 23 announced that they had replaced 300,000 lines of computer code in C++ y with 3,000 lines of a large language model yep and so basically they used all of the self-driving uh data to train a model to look for the potholes look for the look for that and and do it and it’s
[00:18:00] doing amazingly well and I you know full credit yes Elon was six years off from what he promised but it’s getting there it’s happening so I I’m I’m excited I I I would like to see the you for me it feels like the use cases are not clear for why you need dude I totally disagree hold on let me give you one last anote so I remember um Boston Dynamics had this robot horse right I remember that it was called Big Dog yeah and and it was amazing watching this thing and of it was it was a pack animal animal and and it cost like $3 $400,000 for this thing okay and somebody asked Brad Templeton what do you think of that and he was like great but if I wanted a horse I’d get a male horse and a female horse and I’d breed I’d breed a horse at almost zero cost right give it a bit of hay and you got a horse why do you need to build a robot horse right so I think we we this is like it’s for me this
[00:19:00] feels like when we move from Radio to TV the first thing that people did was read radio scripts on television right because they didn’t have the imagination to have TV series and sitcoms and drama series and do acting listen so for me hold let so for me it feels like we’ve moved into okay we have human robots let’s do what human beings are doing I think we could use human robots to do stuff that we aren’t able to do or don’t want to do Danberry used to say do things that are d dangerous or dirty with robots I got it and I think we’re going to see a new generation of robots and like figure is amazing Optimus especially Gen 2 I think is is extraordinary let me just show you this video of Gen 2 this came out in December 23 um let’s roll the video okay so not bad humanoid robots it can be your workout coach here if it can do my workout for me that’s what I’m happy well listen I
[00:20:00] wanted to just cook me my uh omelette every morning here yeah I mean the Precision here is is pretty extraordinary yeah by the way that I just want just on the other side of the argument that little thing of picking up an egg and knowing how much pressure to put on the egg to to move it it’s a huge huge break C right the other one that I’ve remember I think hearing about the big challenge is prop reception yeah right like if you close your eyes it’s very easy to go touch your nose you you instinctively your brain knows where you are in threedimensional space and you can do it blindfolded a robot has a very difficult time with that however generative AI built into the robots and leveraging it I think is a GameChanger I still don’t understand let me let me share let me tell you so so first of all uh you know what again elon’s numbers elon’s timeline which is you know ignore the time he calls me the most optimistic person in the world I would say he’s the most optimistic on timelines and and and cost but uh we’re you know his number
[00:21:02] here is $20,000 per Optimus robot right let’s call it $50,000 so what does it cost you to lease a $50,000 car yeah very little few hundred couple a month call 500 a month right so imagine you got this in your closet for 500 bucks a month right uh what is that uh uh 20 bucks a day to clean up the house while you’re gone mow the lawn you know prepare lunch and dinner for you it is I mean I don’t want to go to to the notion of free labor but it’s effectively Free Labor so anything and why humanoid robots why not a you know first of all anything that becomes really good like something a robot that cleans dishes we call a dishwasher right so we or a dryer or a washing machine but the a humanoid robot we live in a human world that d knob over there the
[00:22:00] accelerator in your car the you know the steps we go through the size of the doors and so being able to navigate our physical world by humanoid robot so I want one maybe two okay you know clean up after me cook my meals do the stuff I want um I don’t know I think I think there are a million uses or when you so I’ll tell you what my um inflection Point threshold is for me okay when you have a robot that you can say oh go tidy up the kitchen yes and it can go and put the kit the dishes rinse them off put them in the dishwasher put the salt and pepper away uh put away the the various appliances you’ve taken out Etc uh and do that reasonably completely because that’s a repetitive task once you learn a bit how to do it it’s not that hard that I think is a game changer I’ll give you another application but I think we’re going to be there cuz you can have that robot walk into the kitchen and say this is a state of clean look
[00:23:02] around memorize where every single thing goes yeah right open every drawer look in it I mean photographic memory it’s there right and then and then return this kitchen to a state of clean yeah so let me flip around to your side of the argument for a second so I’ll give you a couple of areas where I think it’ll be monstrously useful in a house okay where did I put that damn little pair of pliers I don’t think you a robot for and the robot will will that that’s an AI That’s that’s Jarvis and cameras that that happen to notice where your things are get it for me that’s that’s go get it for me I’ll give you another one go walk the dogs I think that’ll be awesome a dog walking robot is going to be coming very quickly and I think that can be done very soon easy I pay my dog walker much more than 20 bucks an hour there you go so I think there’s some areas but I still think there’s we’re looking at uh there’s some cost effective areas I think the vast majority of really powerful applications
[00:24:00] will be construction right where go build a house and a swarm of these robots by the way I disagree with the fact that it should be humanoid there’s all sorts of inefficiencies with being humanoid and so why are we building that be a multitude it’s going to be Star Wars yeah and like I’d rather see an octopus spidery thing because then it canate lots of it’ll have eight arms it can do lots of things it can do it super fast I prefer it to be humanoid well I’m sorry we’re going to have humanoid robots and I want data okay so let’s talk about humanoid robots one second we’ve got uh we’ve got Terminator don’t want those yeah um data C3PO right yeah what’s your favorite robot probably data yeah positronic brain sure um If I Only Had a Brain C3 C3 for me is too uh fanciful or too cartoonish too much part too much personality yeah in it um do
[00:25:02] you have one well I mean data data for sure but growing up it was you remember Lost in Space yeah yeah so robot that was his name very imaginative robot you know uh I loved robot from Lost in Space I actually I remember us build those with like uh uh core you know things from the uh dryers and boxes and so forth it was fun everybody I want to take a short break from our episode episode to talk about a company that’s very important to me and could actually save your life or the life of someone that you love company is called Fountain life and it’s a company I started years ago with Tony Robbins and a group of very talented Physicians you know most of us don’t actually know what’s going on inside our body we’re all optimists until that day when you have a pain in your side you go to the physician or the emergency room and they say listen I’m sorry to tell you this but you have this stage three or four going going on and you know it didn’t start that morning it
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[00:28:01] is pretty amazing the ability to actually understand where the edges are I remember Scott Hassen uh who had Willow garage yeah and he built a robot um to fold laundry to fold laundry yeah and it was just extraordinarily difficult it did it yeah it was really slow it was really slow and really painful and detecting the edges and where to pick it up and whole model of how a cloth folds I mean it’s crazy so I’ll I’ll flip to where I think this this robot is really powerful they now have a stitching robot sure okay we have a trillion dollars of the global economy of people sewing t-shirts together and clothes together and jeans together Etc and it’s really horrible work um and it’s low paid it’s very difficult child labor in a lot of cases Dody countries you have
[00:29:00] this sewing robot that just does it all and I think things like that are where the game agricultural application how about surgery surgery huge yeah so I I’ve said this before and I say this to all my friends who are in medical school or Physicians it’s like listen the best diagnosticians will be AIS yeah and the best surgeons will be AIS so let me let me ask you this do you know the question if you’re if you need to get a surgeon for any procedure and hopefully you don’t but if if you do someday there is one question you ask when interviewing a surgeon do you know what it is how many of these have you done in the past how many of them did you do this morning okay right so in other words the surgeon who has the most experience with a particular procedure right is the most you know is trained his or her neural net to see every arterial venus malformation every situation is prepared for everything yeah and it’s really it’s he wants someone who’s done 80 of them a week yeah um um I want you imagine a
[00:30:00] future in which these robots are our future surgeons and every time a robot does one it’s uploading its experience to the cloud yeah and every surgeon every surgical robot has had every experien in millions of them yeah so now this is where this is where things get interesting for me right this is the same thing with the Tesla car once it knows to navigate a pothole and tells every other Tesla car to do that now things get really interesting because you get a distributed intelligence that can be applied uh learn once and apply a million times and I think if you if you have the somebody who’s done 100 um heart Replacements a month a surgeon and you have a robot a camera just watching over that with the generative AI built-in the robot will be able to do the same thing very quickly and that’s super exciting so you mentioned the uncanny valley before yeah uh which is a term that’s typically applied to how humanlike we make a robot’s face
[00:31:01] look yeah so what that means is when you see an animation of a human face yeah right because we’re so attuned to human faces our brains we have a whole bunch of neurons we have a million ET it turns out like seeing a cartoon face is easy but making it Vis visibly real to the point where you think it’s real is near impossible so the uncan valley is a robot that we think is human and that I think is like a touring test for visual robotics um and can you detect that or not so this is a robot um Amica uh who’s been on my stage at the abundance Summit am is coming back this year in 2024 uh engineered Arts out of out of London uh manufacturers I keep on wanting to say her well I mean it’s a she in a sense is it I mean uh why it’s gray it has no hair I mean anyway um I you know I’m going to say
[00:32:01] her we can we can barely classify humans right now like like it’s probably safer to go my my pronouns are it all right so check check out check this out so this is a video of Amica seeing herself in the mirror for the first time okay has she been told that that’s her in the mirror I have no idea what the setup is okay but it’s amazing I think I think she has like 23 Servo Motors in her face alone yeah I wanted her to wink at the end there that’s freaky it is freaky and so you know here we have an AM humanoid robot that for me would be meeting me at uh the entryway someplace would be my
[00:33:00] guest service manager would work the front desk at a hotel right um you know I think that’s pretty extraordinary and by the way when you uh when you see Amica uh at at the abundance Summit this year um at a360 it is uh she’s powered by gp4 yep right so when you have a conversation with her you’re having a conversation with uh with with with a large language model okay um I don’t know I want I want some I’m looking forward to uh life again one of those fun to play with uh but I think there will be enormous power in various activities that can get done for example if you had a robot like this as a a reception check-in a hotel check-in right they will process White Collar drudgery like okay I want a King’s room I register for book for this but do you have one of these free and I arrived early and do
[00:34:01] you have the room available Etc they’ll be able to handle that stuff very fast whereas today is like super slow and takes a long time and they’ll be able to do a lot more effective uh they’ll process many more guests at a time per hour type of thing I think that’s where things will become really interesting around this but I still don’t see the need for it to be humanoid well sex spots I mean you can you can imagine there’s going to be a market for that yep right and in that case you I mean there already is the the one that blows my mind is is this phenomena in Japan where men walk around with blow up sex not blow blow up women figurine dolls just for companionship and no wonder no wonder the reproductive rate so it’s very surreal but it’s just a thing over there just a thing yeah um so this blew me away this was an article that came out on the prediction of how many bipedal humanoid robots will have and
[00:35:01] so uh the prediction I heard from uh from the team at figure is single digigit Millions by 2030 um and uh billions in the 2040s Elon came out with his prediction of a billion by 2040 okay um and uh you know potentially 10 billion by the end of of the 20 40s so imagine a world with more humanoid robots than humans this is like the equivalent of we have more chip uh neural power the human neurop and we have more cell phones than we have humans on the planet right now right um so I I think I go back to the use cases right I think the number is not that relevant but I think the use cases is fascinating so if you can have a rice picking robot that goes and tends the rice fields or in this case picks things or picks lettuce or strawberry or whatever and takes away that drudgery
[00:36:01] from human beings I think that is a game Cher in some profound ways but I think we’re kind of almost all the way there that we have many many areas where uh apple picking is now done largely by robots etc etc and I think that where and it doesn’t have to be a humanoid robot no and we have in in in Amazon uh service stations and so I mean I I think the the the automation of Labor is I think the one thing that we found most surprising is when we were looking at Automation and Robotics and AI we thought manual labor would be automated first and white collar labor automated later yeah and this is another one of those areas where it’s really really hard to be a futurist because Chachi PT comes out and all of a sudden white color thinking is totally automated and it’s way harder to do the manual labor because of the physical dexterity stuff so I’m excited by the robot Revolution I think it’s farther away than most people think certainly farther away than you
[00:37:00] want okay uh these robots will be in production in 2025 and they’ll be sold and they will be put into limited use cases y um and uh I think we’re going to start to see them uh as they learn and the thing to remember and this is where you know I have having a conversation with Ray the other day Ray kerswell and and we both hit on the same thing that we tend to make linear our future extrapolations even though we’re faced with this amazing exponential growth yeah right so listen if we’ve got what I’ll again term AGI artificial general intelligence by 2029 driving these robots these robots are doing anything and everything yep in which case if they can do anything and everything even if they’re $100,000 a robot or quarter million a robot we’re going to have a lot of them yeah they’re
[00:38:00] they’re not limited by physical manifestation they’re they’re limited by the intelligence to have them do things that are useful yeah uh true I think you have a corresponding concern around Regulatory and safety right what could possibly go wrong well if I can tell my human robot go steal the something from that house yeah uh and figure out a way of getting into the house and go get stuff from the house how do you navigate that those we’re back to the general concerns of of AI right this it comes back to ethics and morals and yeah yeah dystopian uses but um you know it’s so interesting you know we’re here in Santa Monica recording this and did you see the Coco robots on the streets here at all the delivery robots yeah I’ve seen yeah so it’s it’s fascinating right so these little six- wheel robots uh with a little antenna and little headlights and they you know I think they’re manually driven or or they’re manually assisted
[00:39:01] they’re like some AI plus somebody in somewhere in the world deciding whether to cross the street or not but the first time you see them it’s like wow that’s amazing look at that delivery robot you take photos of it and so forth and then like a week later it’s like boring yeah it’s this is that back to that conversation about how quickly we normalize these things right and I think once you once you get I think the way to do this is to pick some of value added use case that people allows people get used to them and then it’ll spread then they’ll take over and you used for lots of other things all right well I think I’m going to keep I’m going to surprise you with this prediction that we’re going to have a billion robots and you should listen to this you know I I didn’t listen to you in 2011 when you were like Bitcoin Peter Bitcoin 2011 like you should have forced me dude dude I didn’t buy it either until like so I watched Bitcoin go from five cents to 50 cents to $5 to $50 finally at $500 I
[00:40:02] bought a bunch yeah Okay and like that was hard when you first start at 5 cents to go I’m spending $500 on this thing that cost 5 cents like I’m like it’s that emotional resistance is a very difficult thing to overcome and then you kind of have to just go if I was coming at it blank what would I do da D yeah if we’ve got billions of these robots walking around we’re going to need need battery power so two articles come out um that were amazing uh you there’s been a whole debate and discussion about do we have enough lithium yeah to power you know the cars and will we have enough for for robots so this was interesting so this is the first mass-produced EV with sodium ion batteries right gets 250 kilometers so new battery chemistries one of the things people forget is that scarcity drives innovation and reinvention yeah and this is a
[00:41:01] really this is you know I remember this conversation for me the penny dropped when we first came across crisper which is a biotech capability of of programming your genome editing genome and people try to patent it and and then people thought oh my God if it’s patented they’ll be da D and very quickly researchers found like five other mechanisms to achieve the same thing right and and when I first heard and I’ve watched the people complaining about lithium ion forever and complaining about China hoarding all the rare Earths Etc I’ve never been worried about it yeah I I’ve always figured I’ll either engineer around it we don’t have enough yeah we’ll engineer around that or we’ll find other compounds that do the same thing or we’ll we’ll kind of create different models for how to do this and something will happen and this is for me the validation of that type of thing where we are going to completely blow the lid off energy storage in the next decade and I think that for me is an absolute GameChanger well here’s a
[00:42:02] Amazing Story right uh this is a a tweet from uh Beth Jos uh uh Beth goes real name is is Gil verden and he’ll be on on stage he runs effective uh accelerationism um and he’s just a brilliant he used to be uh working with Sergey Brin at Google in Quantum and he is you know in the Boomer to Doomer scale he’s like you know the extreme un Boomers like we have to go as fast as possible yeah and and this is this tweet he says we’re so [ __ ] back right so this is uh a tweet from the US Department of energy that confirmed a discovery of 34 uh 3,400 kiloton reserve of lithium in California salt and sea making one of the largest exploitable lithium deposits in the world so for the last 10 years is like oh my God we’re running out of lithium there’s not enough lithium and this is the abund thesis it is that there is there is
[00:43:01] nothing truly scarce You Know It Go within the right context it goes into the same thing around technology and energy scarcity right we were worried about oh my God limiting oil reserves and then technology came across figured out fracking and that expanded radically the scope of it and and the the the whole ability with technology something like 40% of oil discoveries today are AI driven wow 40% of oil Discovery right that’s kind of massive and and that’s a game changer in this I think there’s there’s hundreds of these examples we’re going to come across and it’s it’s not even so I’ll give you one of my other favorites there’s a there’s a a project called the materials project materials genome materials project okay okay Saul Griffith talked about this at one of our sessions with and what did they’ve done is putting together a diant database of about a million compounds and cataloged in great detail the chemical electrical and physical properties of these compounds and these are these are
[00:44:01] multiple minerals and different molecules different different material compounds right now this goes to the linear to exponential thing if you’re a battery researcher and you’re trying to figure out okay what’s an alternative to lithium ion well okay maybe sodium ion so you run some experiments and you find okay that does or doesn’t work maybe it’s lithium air maybe it’s lithium this and you test sequentially compound after compound very linear approach very linear and and you may fail it each time and you don’t know when you’re going to succeed Edison did it with his light bulbs now you can go to this database and go okay give me a compound that meets this voltage and this thermal resistance and this retention and boom it’ll say these are the five that meet your needs I I call that I call that the materials genome and the concept I had uh on my stage at abundance the head of um Applied Materials amazing company right yeah so first of all I think Material Science is like the most underappreciated field in technology it’s like all the progress we have is a
[00:45:01] result of new breakthroughs and materials yeah huge huge like another ER if you want to be you know Material Science is is amazing course 2 at MIT but I never went there um uh no wasn’t course 2 damn it what was it anyway long story short uh the materials genome was being able once you know like in a sidoku board once you know the properties of different you can start to extrapolate what material that have never been made might have the properties of amazing and that is extraordinary yeah and now you can then design those so I think what’s going to happen now is you let a generative AI loose on the materials database which is open source and Free By the way the materials project and let started thinking about that and say What alternative do I have for this or this or this that’s a GameChanger for materials research that changes the game again another level of hey everyone I want to take a quick break from this episode to tell you about a health product that I love and that I use every day in fact I use it twice a day it
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[00:48:00] don’t realize um uh we’re constantly bombarded by so much information right our optic nerve our our you know touch and hearing yeah um I think the number uh uh that I looked up earlier was 11 uh 11 megabits per second of data coming into the brain um and the problem is our brain process is that at 60 bits per second right so it has to use all these filters to reduce noise the noise and and this is why we’re so geared to see certain things facial we we don’t see much else see the change in the face exactly yeah so our migdala for example filters I mean we’re so inundated that we have to make very quick decisions and so anything dangerous goes to the amigdala and puts you on on Red Alert yeah um so so as kind of um cautious as I am about making predictions about
[00:49:00] robots yeah I’m unbelievably excited about this because every percent increase I can increase my brain processing power that’s just a game Cher yeah in terms of the interfacing with various things right the ability to think things into existence is going to be powerful so uh we were talking about this earlier I could go I really want a chair that has this type of a shape da da d da and you let an AI design six version verions of it you go I want that one and then separate 3D printer goes off and goes off and builds the thing for you and you’re done that’s just amazing I think this is going to be a huge uh multi Force multiplier for Humanity yeah for sure um the ability to have brain computer interface BCI uh also brings us a lot of other things it brings us telepathy yeah right my ability to communicate with you right omniscience able to know through the
[00:50:00] trillion sensors out there what’s going on in the world I mean it is Godlike Powers if you connect your brain to the cloud well I think so I’m I have a spiritual tilt to my of course thinking Buddha when you when you connect all the brains together via BCI right now you have a hive mind and you have a hive Consciousness and that I think is really that was my final chapter of uh of uh future as fast you think I call it a meta intelligence can I tell a story here one second so I think this is uh just a step in human evolution and the reason I believe it’s a step in human evolution is I look back at time so if you look back uh you know three and a half billion years ago when life first came into existence on the planet it were these very simple uh cells called procaryotic cells they were bags of cytoplasm and they were not energy efficient they were not the DNA was free
[00:51:00] floating inside and over the course of a half a billion years they went from these procaryotes what are called ukar Nots and the eukariotic cells um brought in mitochondria for processing energy they put a nuclear membrane and chromosomes for processing the information and they brought in endoplasmic reticulum and uh liposomes they brought in all of this Tech inside the cell and so they became Tech enabled cells yeah and and then the next step was that they went from single cell to multicellular and then from multicellular to tissues and organs and then you and me we have 30 trillion human cells you might you might have 35 trillion human cells I’m not calling you fat just just saying you’re bigger than I am um so uh the process has been that in incorporating technology going multicellular and then and then connecting to another higher level and so I see that happening right now right
[00:52:00] so we are the equivalent of those simple procaryotic cells we we’re connecting this technology into ourselves and as soon as that gets connected I connect with you and with a million other people and we become conscious at another level and I call that a meta intelligence and it is making me one with the universe now here’s where it gets interesting I wonder if we become conscious on a global level and then we look out in the universe and we see all these other meta intelligences uh what sensors would we detect that with I know okay understand okay I for when you think about you know the the uh the Paradox um what’s the paradox paradox where is everybody where is everybody for I I actually believe the most in the so just for people listening if you run the number as the Drake equation Etc there should be a million other intelligences out in the universe that have advanced things so
[00:53:01] why don’t we see them that’s that’s the fmy Paradox and I believe the most in there’s a number of answers to it one is uh everybody else died out we the most advanced or we can’t detect them or they they didn’t pass the great filter they had nuclear weapons they blew themselves up um my my favorite hypothesis is the transcension hypothesis I agree which is you’ve gotten evolved enough that you have virtual reality to do everything you don’t need to go out you go inwards yes and and therefore you don’t need to broadcast outwards and there may we may find there’s a billion of those types of things and we do broadcast outwards but not intentionally in a focused fashion but I do believe that uh as we are we are going from evolution by natural selection Darwinism to evolution by human Direction We Are evolving into something brand new I mean natural selection been dead for quite a while true because we’ve been farming species
[00:54:00] and and guiding Evolution for quite a while right um there’s inflection points around all of that that I think are interesting uh for me when you think about the evolution of the world when you know we talked last month about the the uh multi-dimension other parallel universes yeah will get interesting is when I can bridge between universes that’s that’s when I’ll be interested all right think there are drugs that can do that for you that could do do that um and and but the the ability to sense the world in one time and the ability to process that that Collective Consciousness is going to be essentially the Buddha that is that is the Oneness yeah you know the joke right the monk goes up to the street vendor in New York and says make me one with everything to the hot dog vendor yeah all right so so uh Elon uh tweets out the first human received an implant
[00:55:01] from neuralink yesterday and is recovering well initial results show promising neuron Spike detection um uh at abundance this year I’ve got uh the surgon who does all of neurolinks uh implants wow so um okay you know it was interesting I on I on my I I’ve done two podcasts with with Elon one was a couple years ago one was uh early in 24 uh and we talked about when he was playing pong uh against a maack monkey uh that was drinking a banana smoothie and playing pong with its brain right yeah and that’s crazy cuz where we’re going to go is we’re that game of playing pong because I mean pong was like the earliest video games that you and I played right how far they come now so that same TR trajectory right so you’ll be plugged into a uh into some Advanced neurolink and playing a virtual world I
[00:56:01] mean we’re in a virtual world right now we’ll be playing in a virtual world within our virtual world yeah I have a question for you that you may have an answer to because you’re closer to this yeah um why do you have to have an invasive procedure to implant a BCI can you not wear a helmet that reads your neurons and then writes to your neurons it’s resolution it’s it’s your resolution so your brain is wrapped in a material called a Dura and your Dura then has on top of it a skull and then your scalp okay uh and if you’re trying to read individual neurons it’s very difficult there are a lot of approaches so uh uh one other approach uh another company I’m going to have this year because we’re going to go into BCI at the abundance Summit um is a company that puts uh not into your brain but under the dura um but on top of the brain it put these ultrasound focused ultrasound and
[00:57:00] steerable ultrasound that’s right that can go and actually stimulate individual neurons and the idea is by the way there was a story on 60 Minutes last weekend mhm they use focused ultrasound to to treat people that are addicted and they were able with one treatment of focused ultrasound huge to treat can completely cure addiction so here’s unbelievable so that’s kind of stuff I get super excited here’s where this company wants to go imagine an app yeah where if you have this implant in uh fairly easy to put in but an app that says I want to go to sleep yeah or I want to wake up yeah or I want to feel good yeah or I want to have energy I want a better tennis forand that’s going to come too but I think the earlier apps are going to be uh states of emotion right um the uh the stuff that neuralink is doing and there are other companies Black Rock there’s another company run by a friend uh Matt angle called paradromics and they’re in
[00:58:01] sheep right now and they could well be in humans very shortly and they’re actually have much more uh they’re more advanced a number of ways compared to neuralink um all of these companies paradromics and neuralink uh a surgeon puts in these small filaments that are going into neocortex and they are able to read and write off of individual neurons right but it’s not really individual neurons it’s groups of neurons um because even even th even a thin wire is much much bigger so uh they put them over the motor cortex and over the sensory cortex and then you can control things listen to things and such I mean when we get to nanowires that’s totally going to be a game changer because it’ll be atoms thick and you can put it anywhere well there’s another amazing Tech uh this comes from Marilu Jepson do you know maril water open water so Mary Lou who’s brilliant uh God
[00:59:00] Almighty she was at Facebook and at Google and at you know MIT and one laptop per child and she’s one of our abundance members I love her um she has built a technology that allows you to use red laser light which penetrates skin and skull and able to use red laser light and ultrasound to actually Target an individual neuron and stimulate that neuron to fire or be able to sense if there’s a ruffle on the neuron surface of whether it’s firing so you can read and write onto individual neurons and that’s amazing do you remember that that movie brainstorm yeah and it’s literally like that yeah so you put on a cap and can record memories and list memor so here’s the point it’s the point you just made the single most valuable thing that any country or any company has is the intelligence of its employees or its its
[01:00:02] citizens yeah and so if you got Technologies like neurolink or paradromics or open water or Black Rock able to increase the intelligence of your of your individuals I can think and Google right that’s amazing I you know what where that goes becomes I there’s a there’s a spectrum of intelligence going to collective intelligence and then you get to Collective Consciousness yes uh now you get into a definition problem but that’s where I think things become really interesting aware at scale of what’s happening in the world for me one of the ex one of the applications of this that I’m super excited about is uh implanting this into animals and then being able to talk to the animals yeah or at least feel and also feel what the animals say now we are we have talked about at ex prise this year at visioner we talked about a uh a an AI that can translate between
[01:01:00] hum there was a project in 2017 out of Sweden I don’t know where it’s at right now but they they predicted by about now they would they were using machine learning to uh understand dolphin language yeah and they figured within five years they would be able to do it I’m I my response was I’m really not sure you want to hear what dolphins have say be pretty pissed at us uh but in general that ability to then because now you can you when you can communicate with other species that then things get interesting that so forget the human communicate with that right there’s that there’s that too this is another tweet El put out he says uh uh the first uh neurolink product is called telepathy I mean he does do they have great marketing yeah right telepathy is what a great name he says enables control of your phone or computer and through them almost any device just by thinking initial users will be those that have lost uh the use of their limbs imagine if Stephen Hawking uh could communicate faster than a speed typist or Auctioneer
[01:02:02] that is his goal and you know I I knew Stephen Hawking well yeah um I flew him into Zerg back in 20 2007 and I remember just the painstaking rate of communication yeah uh and tapping well he’s he’s using his eyes on a on a screen to be able to select a single letter at a time yeah and today using AI you can get to 60 words per minute which is pretty amazing and this will this will be even even further so listen I’m I’m super pumped about this let me ask you the question how let’s say it’s available are you in as soon as possible for for something like this oh yeah I’m I I’d prefer it not be invasive um but let’s see it is let’s say it’s a it requires surgery you know it’s going to be by the way neural links uh I’ve seen that the the tech it is a fully robotic surgeon yeah that you know anesthetizes
[01:03:00] you you know cuts it open drills a small hole places it in places the you know the Thousand filaments on your on your neocortex seals it up with glue yeah I’d be in you’d be in yeah I think that’s way more interesting than getting a a chip planted in between your knuckles oh I do that does the read and write of the thing uh but that’s true functionality that augments human capacity to really and then the application you know now it’s software right and whatever you can program it to do you can do that BEC software upgrade it’s like wake up smarter every morning yeah you know um Bring It full circle as we wrap here to robots uh the thing that is going to happen and is going to be incredibly cool is when I have my neuralink in and I can occupy my Optimus well not just the Optimus but five of them around the house right you clean up the kitchen and by the way I can see through one optical nerve what you’re doing so do it this way and over here oh by the way put the
[01:04:01] put the jam in this drawer and not over there of the kitchen of the fridge and do that in parallel yeah right and now you can do things in at scale in each human being get augmented like a thousand times have you ever read uh RZ Nom’s books NEX a huge so I’m just rereading Again by the way listening to this if you’ve not read uh RZ Nam n aam uh he’s Trilogy called Nexus yes it’s Nexus Apex and krux amazing it’s about a uh a product uh a sort of neural lace called Nexus that allows you to uh have telepathy allows you to connect to the cloud and he explores everything here beautifully written it’s an incredible I’m jealous for people who are reading it for the first time it’s that good it’s really good and it’s already been being made into a movie etc etc it’s crazy yeah um yeah all right buddy well listen I
[01:05:00] expect a a chip in you as soon as possible and robots that are following you around doing your bidding that that let’s do the second part first and then we’ll put the chip in later okay all right good to see you buddy you too take [Music] care