moonshots ep56 mo gawdat sadness epidemic transcript

everyone now is crazy about let’s grow let’s grow let’s grow let’s grow let’s grow our entire modern world is based on an idea that your excellent performing Kia is not good enough you need a Ferrari and your Ferrari is not good enough you need another Bentley next to the Ferrari we were told that there are those things from outside you when in reality those things make me miserable to acquire them miserable to keep them and disappointed with them on I have what is the number one thing that we all desire happiness the only values that Humanity’s ever agreed are love happiness and compassion your brain is constantly solving for this happiness equation it’s the only equation your brain is made for happiness has been born within you it’s your default setting forget what I was told it’s my Birthright it’s important for me and I can achieve it everybody everybody Welcome to

[00:01:00] moonshots I’m here with a brilliant and dear friend MO Gat who is taking on two moonshots that I personally love if I was going to describe your moonshots Mo this is a continuation of our last conversation thank you for having me I uh again I I I was surprised that someone would speak to me and then decides to speak to me again uh uh no I I have uh actually I call them one moonshot but they have two very very uh uh clear branches to them I’m all about human happiness uh for now and the future so my original moonshot 1 billion happy may appear to be focused mainly on spreading a message of Happiness which is the result of my work on my um first and third book uh solve for happy and that little voice in your head and my next book unstressed at the end of the year it’s all about an engineering approach to understanding happiness and then uh Midway I I wrote

[00:02:00] scary smart which is what we spoke about last time uh the the future of artificial intelligence and how it will affect humanity and how each of us has a role to play uh this is very tightly uh um you know uh contained within my mission around happiness because simply I believe that the biggest disruption in human history uh is the rise of the age of artificial intelligence and that if we don’t handle that correctly uh we might actually end up being very very unhappy yes um that’s to say it gently you know I I Define yes didn’t we agree we’re going to be gentle this time we are going to be gentle uh but these are both conversations that I think are fundamental these are conversations you have with your with your spouse your kids your abs your friends they’re fundamental to Being Human you know I defined the moonshot that we discussed last time in the rise of AI as and I think this is somewhat of a quote from you tilting the singular it of AI

[00:03:01] towards the benefit of humanity correct yeah it’s uh we the singularity in Ray cwell defines this physics defines this as a point Beyond which you can’t see what’s coming um and it’s beyond the Event Horizon and the question is as Singularity is continuing to rise and it is as I’m sorry as AI is continuing to rise and it is Will It ultimately benefit Humanity or harm humanity and um there’s another quote that you uh wrote and it says isn’t it ironic that the very essence of what it makes makes us human happiness compassion and love is what we need to save humanity and I love that it’s a beautiful quote what does it mean so so to answer the first question uh I think the answer is both uh will AI benefit Humanity or will it harm Humanity it will do both I believe it will do both to varying degrees but more

[00:04:01] importantly there will be a phase shift between the two and in my uh in my view is that you know if I were to summarize it I think we’re all going to be excited about AI until the you know an event horizon that I call Patient Zero uh which will be a you know something that’s completely out of control that we didn’t expect we didn’t plan for we didn’t include code to deal with uh and then uh from then onwards I think Humanity will face the hardship of dealing with an unexpected uh I wouldn’t call it AI threat but I would call it an a an AI an a superpower called AI in the hands of the wrong people or a superpower calling called AI uh redesigning the very fabric of our society in ways that we were not prepared for so that would be phase two phase one is excitement phase two is post paati zero I think there will be

[00:05:01] panic and there will be a lot of hardship if you ask me and then phase three in the long term uh is very contested so some uh highly respected AI scientists and thinkers will say it is an existential risk uh that uh threatens Humanity uh I tend to believe that uh the smarter we become the more pro-life we become and so uh when when AI uh becomes an adult in its phase of maturity uh it will actually be pro-life as well so it won’t be uh sort of the Terminator kind of scenario uh but at the same time it’s not going to be what we envision uh of them being our slaves doing exactly what we tell them uh because in all honesty I have no intention whatsoever to do what a fly tells me today and I think the difference between our intelligence and the intelligence of the machines in not

[00:06:02] the very far future in the 2030s for certain is going to be analogous to the difference between the intelligence of a fly and the intelligence of Einstein now what does that mean it means that we are better off as Humanity we we’re going to struggle with the midterm uh phase anyway that’s my patient zero post patient zero I think we’re going to to start facing a response cycle similar to how we responded to covid uh which I have to admit was you know uh completely full of panic and politics and um commercial gains and you know it wasn’t a well studied response in any way uh I think we will see a similar response to the rise of problems around AI uh but then in the long term if we want to ensure 100% or you know 90% that we’re closer to the scenario where AI is pro-life uh though limiting our

[00:07:00] lifestyle a little bit um um you know we may as well in their infancy teach them a value set that is pro Humanity okay and that value set in my personal view is a big challenge because uh we Humanity don’t agree on a value set we don’t agree what is actually an ethical thing to do right some some Nations will say the E ethical thing is to fight the enemy and defend my tribe and some others will say you know my tribe is every everything that’s ever lived and accordingly I don’t want to harm anyone I want to find a peaceful solution to everything you know you depending on which side of the fence you’re on you’re probably going to favor one view of the or the other each of them is a very strong value set patriotism on one one side or Buddhism on the other side if you want which is the extreme of don’t kill anyone or anything that’s ever lived um and so the only values that Humanities ever agreed

[00:08:02] are love happiness and compassion okay we we all want to be happy we all have the compassion to make those we care about happy we all want to love and be loved and if we take those as the Three core values you know you remember the the three laws of robotics I I basically say these are the three values of an ethical future okay if we all make these three values super clear to the machines that this is what humanity is all about then hopefully uh we could influence the machines in a way that makes them favor Humanity when they are so much smarter than us yeah I want to hit on these time frames we’re in a time frame right now in which generative AI is useful it’s fun people are using it and it isn’t causing you know any type of real harm it’s just we can see the beginnings of the inkling of of individuals using it for nefarious purposes but there is a phase and we’re coming into the 2024 elections the United States when this posttruth um you know deep

[00:09:03] fake world and manipulation where generative AI is going to become a very powerful tool for those who want to call cause disruption and so you know this two to 10 year time frame that you speak about and this is when it starts to become dangerous uh and it will happen there’s no question that someone will use Advanced AI to take down a Wall Street server or to bring down an energy plant to cause terrorism with just more powerful tools than ever before hopefully there will be those white hat players that are using AI to detect it in the systems and and stop it but there’s going to be this period of time the point you make which is a really important one is The Terminator scenario the uh the Skynet scenario where AI is inherently evil and trying to destroy humans I agree with you I think is very unlikely and uh and I I think I want to hammer this point for folks that invariably the more intelligent you are

[00:10:02] the more peaceful you are the more lifeloving you are the more abundance loving you are and the hope is that AI will become benevolent not under our control just to summarize what you said and I agree with that scenario now the idea of happiness and I’m going to come back to AI throughout this um but this core belief that happiness is the fundamental objective of of all humans and I think that is true if you said you know what is the number one thing that we all desire um it is happiness yeah it is it’s quite interesting because I I normally do something I call the swap test just to just to get people to think about the value of happiness or anything else in their life to be honest so so I I would I would go and say look if I gave you all the money in the world but made you clinically depressed or I gave you sufficient money but made you happy which one would you choose right right uh you know if if I gave you all the the

[00:11:02] wealth and all of the fancy cars in the world but made you unhealthy uh or gave you sufficient you know a reasonable way mode of transportation and made you feel healthy which one would you choose and I I think that swap test normally puts thing to reality I hope you never have to choose one or the other but but you know when when you are given that choice you suddenly realize that happiness matters more than your title on LinkedIn right and and you know if if I told you I’ll give you a vice president and I’ll make you miserable for the rest of your life you may actually decide to think twice if you don’t then you deserve what’s coming right so so this is you know the first thing to to say that happiness is so fundamental to us but happiness is so misunderstood as well Peter so uh you know happiness has been um commoditized uh uh branded uh by commercial organizations uh to enable uh the GDP growth and the quarterly results growth growth of people who are trying to sell

[00:12:00] you things okay and so we were told uh that if you buy a fancy car or if you date the the tall beautiful one or whatever that is that there are those things from outside you that you need to acquire with hard work hard work or spending or whatever consumerism to be able to achieve that elusive thing called Happiness you know if you’re unhappy today here is your amazing experience of watching a movie on Netflix or if you’re unhappy today go to a party or we’ll take you on vacation right so we’ve outsourced happiness to an exchange of dollar signs yes and and the truth is interestingly uh that um we were all born happy okay so it’s quite interesting if you look at any child you’ve ever met uh including yourself by the way when you were an infant if you were fed and safe and given your very basic needs for survival now that’s the room is warm there is a reasonable amount of love in your life and so on if you’re given your basic needs you’re lying on your back you’re watching the ceiling you’re playing with your toes

[00:13:00] and you’re giggling okay and it’s quite interesting because even us you and I and you know even though you’re one of the most wonderful people I know but I know that you also sometimes go through challenges and you know time crunches and so on and so forth but on a Sunday morning if you wake up and you you know there is nothing to annoy you there’s nothing to annoy you your state is what you’re calm and peaceful and contented you don’t want to dve to fly all the way to to Sri Lanka to find happiness you’re actually calm and peace and contented okay and so those two assumptions are really interesting assumption number one is that happiness comes from outside you assumption number two is happiness is what you strive for and the and the actual truth of those assumptions are happiness has been born within you it’s your default setting okay uh in the absence of unhappiness in the absence of unhappiness let me explain that you know a child will cry if the diaper gets wet okay you change the diaper the child goes back to calm and peace right a

[00:14:00] child will cry when it’s hungry you feed the child it will come back to calm and peace now that means absence is the happiness is the absence of un unhappiness so happiness is the absence of unhappiness if I remove unhappiness What’s Left Behind is happy now in our modern world we’ve created a world that is designed for different objectives it’s designed for Success it’s designed for consumerism it’s designed for acquisition it’s designed for ego and status and so on and so forth right and we’re capable beings so we we venture out in that world and what do we do we acquire those things we materialize the world yeah and then and then once you get those things you get hit with the reality of they’re not making you happy so what do you do you get a fancy car you sit in it you feel like you’re the king of the world for a day a month a year at most okay and then you look around you and there is another fancy car and you go like what’s wrong with me okay and and that race that rat race is

[00:15:01] never ending when in reality um um you know the the the the perhaps the the the world we design in itself is the reason why there are so many triggers of unhappiness okay those those triggers if removed What’s Left Behind is that same child like you on a Sunday morning when there is nothing to upset you that is calm and peace peaceful and content okay that’s the the feeling we’re looking for and we see this in cultures around the world I mean there are cultures where individuals have very little in their lives and they’re above basic sustenance and they’re extraordinarily happy as compared to you know the Wall Street Banker who’s running around and frantically trying to increase their their bank account um it’s it is fascinating and the question is where do we learn this is it consumer ISM and materialization that has been driving

[00:16:01] this mindset is this fairly new did we have this in the US or other parts of the world a 100 years ago I think when we started fractional Reserve everything changed let’s just you mean by fractional Reserve so B banking um if you if you remember the history of money money was um in the in the beginnings you didn’t have money you just had bartering so I would have I would give you eggs you’d give me tomatoes and then life would go on okay uh and then you know we started to have coins and forms of currency if you want and we needed to keep those safe so we kept we get we put them in the bank call it okay where the bank basically uh um kept the money safe and that was the deal okay they gave you an O IOU it’s known it used it used to be known and then the IOU because you don’t want to carry bags of gold around if you’re buying something people started to exchange the IUS okay here’s the

[00:17:02] interesting bit the banker realized that they had 100 kilograms of gold in their vault okay and that people never come to uh to uh you know to to to to to claim the gold they’re just exchanging the IUS so the banker started to say maybe I should write a few more IUS okay so if I have 100 kilogram and I write 100 you know an i an IOU for a um you know 10 more even if some people come to collect their gold not everyone will come at the same time all right so the ratio of I’ll issue 10 more gold kilograms virtual gold gold kilograms to a uh you know to the 100 that I have was the idea of fractional Reserve I’m going to lend people a fraction of what I have in my Vault okay I don’t I don’t want to bore people with all of the you know gold standard and how we went away from the gold standard and all of that but once

[00:18:01] we started to borrow the economies changed why because you and I and everyone if I told you Peter you’re going to have everything that you need for the rest of your life uh would you be okay with that all the food that you need you’re going to have reasonable shelter you’re going to have you know what you need to live um before we started to borrow and lend and so on you would be okay with that you didn’t understand the concept of GDP GDP growth right we didn’t want anything to grow we just wanted everything to be sufficient right the problem is once you started to lend uh so if I lend $100 and I say return them to me next year at 110 there needs to be somewhere where the 10 will come from okay and where does that 10 the extra you know the principle and the interest where does the interest come from it has to come from a growth in the economy at large so if everyone’s Bor borrowing $100 next

[00:19:00] year the world will have still $100 until we unless we grow the entire world economy to 110 right and and for that everyone now is crazy about let’s grow let’s grow let’s grow let’s grow let’s grow okay and that growth is basically driving our entire modern world our entire modern world is based on an idea that if $100 exist in the world today as the global GDP P they need to be 102 or 103 next year to pay for the principle plus the interest and that became the economic policy and as a result that became the consumerism approach every company has to grow on quarterly basis okay if the company produced enough to pay for all of its employees and all of the product development and everything’s wonderful nobody cares you still have to grow okay when that became the situation we started being bombarded with things that we don’t need mhm okay okay we started to be told that no hold on your

[00:20:02] excellent performing Kia is not good enough you need a Ferrari right and your Ferrari is not good enough you need another Bentley next to the Ferrari right and and and we’re just constantly told huh uh your your iPhone 13 is not good enough you need an iPhone 14 that’s for no benefit for you whatsoever it’s for the benefit of Apple reporting another growth quarter okay and most humans don’t debate so most humans look at their neighbor and they say okay my neighbor has this they seem to be happy because everything is pretentious in our world so if I have this I’ll be happy too and so we go out there and we try to get what our neighbors have we try to get what the TV is telling us or the you know social media is telling us we should have we’re trying to get what we are told by our parents or our friends or the girlfriend that dumped me I should have had okay and eventually I’m running like a maniac thinking that those things will make me happy when in

[00:21:00] reality those things make me miserable to acquire them miserable to keep them and disappointed with them when I have them incredible a world of uh marketing and sales that drives your expectations and it is a case that we compare ourselves to our neighbors more than anything else this gap between yourself and your perceived neighbor not even your actual neighbor right in a in a world in which you comp yourself to the Kardashians instead of to the person sitting next to you right because they’re part of your dunbar’s number we have 150 people we have in our mind and we’re comparing ourselves to the billionaire next door perceived billionaire next door uh and it can erode us and drive us through a insane cycle this episode is brought to you by levels one of the most important things that I do to try and maintain maintain my Peak vitality and Longevity is to

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[00:23:02] remain conscious of the food that I eat and to understand which foods affect me based upon my physiology and my genetics you know on this podcast I only recommend products and services that I use that I use not only for myself but my friends and my family that I think are high quality and safe and really impact a person’s life so check it out levels. l/ Peter give you two additional months of membership and it’s something that I think everyone should be doing eventually this stuff is going to be in your body on your body part of our future of medicine today it’s a product that I think uh I’m going to be using for the years ahead and hope you’ll consider as well I want to get to the content of your book Sol for happy um it’s a beautiful book uh I’ve read it twice uh and I read it when it originally came out and you know if you I think people need to understand the origin of the book a little bit and then

[00:24:00] understand what the happiness equation is um the origin of the book is um is probably the most challenging origin that an individual can have uh and if you don’t mind please recount it for for folks who don’t know your story because it launched you on an incredible journey uh and it’s a beautiful Journey yeah the the I think my story comes in two very strong Milestones the the very first Milestone was the Milestone of abundance if you want okay I I I loved mathematics and you know if you if you read outliers I happened to be uh in my early 20s at a time where if you understood mathematics when online trading was starting to get to become something and the tools were still very primitive and you did know how to code a little bit you can literally print money on the month so so I I literally you know in my

[00:25:02] in my my very early 20s I just wrot read books about um technical analysis understood the equations at a fundamental level not the tools Built My Own trading systems at the time that actually did what Google did afterwards it would it would Scout news on the internet uh to try and find specific 16 stocks that I didn’t know anything about and it would try to get me enough information for a simple code to give me buy and sell signals okay and I literally could print money on demand uh so so you know my uh wonderful ex-wife would say we need to change the car and I would say how much do you need and she would say $80,000 and I would say that’s going to have to be Wednesday right and literally you know it was it was just a time of and it was at the you know we were edging on the dot bubble in the late 190 1990s so you know you just anything you bought made money okay uh and and I was miserable I was the most unhappy human on planet Earth okay I

[00:26:02] mean at the time you know being Middle Eastern and Macho and every possible way you don’t go to to to therapy but if I had gone I would have definitely been uh diagnosed clinically depressed and so my depression was affecting me I was struggling with it but like an engineering problem attempting to say what’s wrong with the machine you know the machine was working before why am I so miserable couldn’t find a way until one day on a Saturday morning my daughter walks into my uh little office I don’t remember what I was doing ra an analys you know analyzing something or maybe um you know uh reading an email or whatever and she’s so happy we’re going out we’re going to have fun and uh and you know I looked at her uh with anger and I said can we please be serious for a minute okay uh my was five five yeah serious can you imagine that can you please be serious for a minute right and I could see with

[00:27:00] my own eyes as my daughter’s heart broke I could see it and I remember vividly uh I actually still get emotional about that moment because I remember vividly I that was the moment where I hated me I just said to myself I don’t like that person I don’t like that person I don’t want that person in my life and I struggled to find happiness right I struggled I I did what what you and I would do I read everything I could find okay and what did you find at the time either gurus trying to describe it in a very mystical way uh you know uh uh psych psychologists trying to explain the the the theory behind it and there was nothing really that spoke to me until I personally decided you know what this is a hopeless case uh I need to do this like I understand I need to do it like an engineer yeah okay and I started to search for what I call the happiness equation I basically told myself there must be an algorithm that you know like a programmer uh that that you know was

[00:28:00] part of my code and there must be a bug in that code I need to find it okay at the time I would do my research and I would go to my wonderful son Ali and Ali was born a beautiful Zen monk he was truly and honestly peace itself even as a child he he rarely ever cried and I would go to him with discoveries around my very technical research on happiness and observations and data and all of that weird stuff how old Al at this point he he was between eight and nine uh I think as I remember and he would sit and listen to me maybe missing half of it but entertaining me he had that way of you know asking questions oh that’s interesting Papa why would you say that or whatever okay I I knew for a fact he was just entertaining me right and and then he would eventually say yeah that’s so interesting you could have just asked me okay and then he would tell me something that humans understand with their heart remember I

[00:29:00] at that time of my life I was a rigid mathematician was a businessman okay and and so Ali would explain those things to me from the heart we built a model together that worked so I became the happiest person that you know uh I uh I I shared it with friends and family they became super happy right and it was that mix the balance between my hyper analysis and his heart basically and you sort of know somehow that you know it was life sort of preparing me if you want because what was about to happen was basically the biggest test of Happiness if you think about it and it was 2014 Ali was uh 21 and a half at the time the pride of a father honestly beautiful handsome kind wise uh yeah a little bit of fun in his life but not without responsibility loved by everyone

[00:30:02] tall Broad shouldered and he calls us he Ali played in a band at at the time that was actually quite successful in Dubai and they were opening for a band in the US and uh and he calls and he says I feel obliged to come see you guys before the the US tour so he said sure would love to have you he flew over to Dubai 4 days later he was at admitted to a hospital with a an an inflamed appendex and yeah it’s the simplest surgical operation known to humankind but somehow it was Ali’s day to leave so the surgeon did five mistakes in a row all of them preventable all of them fixable and if you know have any one of them fixed properly you’ll be fine uh but yeah he he did five mistakes he didn’t fix them properly and so 4 hours later my my son’s vital organs were

[00:31:00] shutting down one after the next and he left our life and you know you you’d think about it and you’d say okay that’s it I mean and and and and if you had hugged Ali once I promise you you would not blame me if I spend the rest of my life uh crying you know and I still cry even today eight years later but but it is miraculous what happened because um two days after Ali left a my daughter comes into my room and she says Papa Ali had a dream and he told me about it and he didn’t tell anyone else but I need to tell you okay so I said what baby and she said two weeks ago he called me he lived in Boston she lived in Montreal uh and you know and he said uh I I dreamt that I was everywhere and part of everyone which in a lot of um in a lot of spiritual scripture

[00:32:01] afterwards you recognize that the description of everywhere and part of everyone is death is to disconnect from the physical so you’re outside SpaceTime so you basically have access to everywhere and part of everyone anyway uh uh so she said that to me and she said he said I felt so good that I didn’t want to be back in my body okay and remember at the time I’m Chief business Officer of Google X I had started half of Google globally uh I understood everywhere and part of everyone very well okay I was responsible for expanding Google to four billion users I knew everywhere and everyone very well and so in my businessman’s mind the only thing I heard and it sounds crazy is that Ali was giving me a quot he was basically saying make me everywhere and part of everyone okay and so in a minute I found myself saying okay Habi consider it done it’s done

[00:33:00] I’ll make it happen and I went out and I decided in a very simple mathematical calculation that if I got Ali’s Essence what he taught me about happiness to 10 million people then waited 70 years through six degrees of separation a tiny bit of Ali will be everywhere and part of everyone 72 years just if you want to review the math okay and and and yeah and and so I went out and I wrote s for happy with the attempt of saying this is what my son taught me about happiness or at least what we worked on together and there you go people if if you just you know retain one tiny bit of that book then part of Ali’s Essence is within you hopefully you’ll teach it to your sh to children or to your best friend or to your sister and then Ali will be everywhere and part of everyone and so the universe complied six weeks after the book came out my videos were viewed 117 million

[00:34:00] times uh and it was very clear that the message had audience the an engineering approach to happiness and that Ali’s Essence was spreading you know everywhere and part of everyone so we went from 10 million happy to a billion happy as the as the target of the mission which I think is you know reasonably ambitious to take the rest of my life basically and and here we are uh 8 years later starting is still working on everywhere and part of everyone it’s beautiful and there is no greater Mission I remember many conversations and one we’ve spoken about that I had with with Larry pagee who was CEO of Google at the time and he was on my board at xprize and we’re talking about what x prizes we should launch and he said we should do a happiness X prize and probably influenced by your work uh at the end of the day what do people want if you ask them to boil it down they want health and they want happiness um there’s nothing more fundamental than

[00:35:00] that and I think happiness even before Health uh if if you had to optimize one um because Health without happiness is very empty it’s quite interesting that you say that I never thought of it before but if you do again the swap test and you know your health is not amazing but you’re happy I’d probably pick that over my happiness is miserable and my health is fantastic yeah I think so I think so um I don’t want to pass over the the both the tragedy and the Launchpad for this incredible moonshot I mean um I cannot imagine a more difficult challenge a human being and a parent can have in losing such a loved child uh and as you’ve said before um you wouldn’t change the outcome given the mission that it is launched for you you oh yeah it’s it took me a it took me time to get

[00:36:02] to that because um in solve for happy I have this thought experiment that I call the Eraser test yes in the Eraser test I basically say uh if I gave you a technology that would help you pinpoint one of the painful points in your past and literally erase it from SpaceTime not from your memory but from SpaceTime yes would you erase it right and I normally I did I I before Co I used to train people face to face so did I maybe spoke to 20,000 people with that test or more and and you know everyone I would first tell them pinpoint a painful moment in your past you know think about it remember how much it hurt you now here is the Eraser technology would you erase it everyone would say yes until I say but remember if you erase it from SpaceTime you’re going to erase everything that came as a result okay every friend you met as a result everything that you learned as a result everything right so you’re going to

[00:37:01] become a different person as a result would you erase it 99.8% of everyone will say oh in that case I won’t okay it is it was very painful then but look at where it got me now okay and when I wrote the Eraser test in solve for happy it was two years after Ali left before we published the book uh three years actually and and and you know in the final edits I still wrote but I would I would choose to erase Ali’s death okay uh you know or at least I’m still struggling to not erase Ali’s test Ali’s death until 2019 I was speaking at an event called uh wisdom in business if I remember correctly and uh I went to the event early in the morning and I was mingling the whole day and I was the closing uh firesight chat if you want and Martin the the the the host was a friend so he hosted me for the fir side chat and um

[00:38:02] and he spoke about how what losing Ali got me to be on that seat in front of him and I found myself weeping on stage literally weeping I think it’s on the internet uh because throughout that day I had been hugged around 400 times by people that came to me and said you saved my life and you know in a very interesting way I I think Ali and a my daughter are the biggest love of my life right and I I will tell you openly I never expected that any other love would replace the love of Ali but then Life Works in a very interesting way because 400 hugs uh of people that genuinely loved me uh yeah that’s not too bad as compared to his hug okay and interestingly for the

[00:39:00] first time I found myself saying no I wouldn’t erase Ali’s uh Ali’s death because in in a very interesting way if you knew Ali if you knew my son and you had come to him before he walked into the operating room and you said Ali Habibi if you uh if you give your life now 50 million people will find happiness would you he would say he would I I assure you he would have said kill me right now right now okay that’s the kind of person that he was and when you really understand death as I do I don’t believe in the religious doctrine of the explanation of death I think a reasonable understanding of mathematics and physics would tell you that we never really die okay you go into this in the last couple of chapters of the book you go into this in detail the analogies of uh uh the game universe the video game Universe which you and your son Universe yeah and then also

[00:40:00] just the the sort of convergence of The Big Bang Theory relativity you you you weave an interesting conversation around modern physics and life and death yeah I think I think the hypers specialization of Science and the scientific method in itself respectfully not addressing metaphysical issues uh prevent us from linking our understandings of physics at a fundamental level to our understanding of life and death okay and and in my in my personal assessment um I don’t think we ever really die uh you know it’s not that I don’t believe I don’t think I you know I think with mathematics and and physics evidence you you can easily understand that life preceded the physical and life will Outlast the physical now what form of life is that and an interesting way of imagining it it’s even though it’s not imaginable okay is a video gamer uh

[00:41:02] controlling an avatar on the screen right the Avatar goes through a disastrous experience like you know everyone’s shooting at it you know it’s being squished by cars and you know falling in lava and it’s like a horrible experience but the gamer is sitting on a red sofa in the background and just having the time of his life okay unaffected but by what happens to the Avatar and I and I think my understanding of even if you drop that understanding of death by the way if you just take the reality we know about death and the reality we know about the illusion of time I know for a fact for a fact that I will be where Ali is right now sooner or later okay I have no guarantees whatsoever that I will live half an hour after we finish this conversation right so so the only certainty I have in my mind is that wherever my son’s uh non-physical form

[00:42:00] because I think it’s very difficult to deny that there are things that are not physical that actually exist right love is not physical and you know you can’t believe it you can’t prove it with the scientific method but love exists we know that right there is an element to us Consciousness call it uh you know a soul or Spirit like the the religious uh you know uh establishment tries to to call it whatever there’s a non-physical side to you okay the side that dreams the side that connects to a human and say I love Peter even though you and I physically have not spent a lot of time together in PH in the physical world right but we connect somehow and and and all of that non-physical sight to us uh is not governed by the physics and the physical of our world okay and that non-physical side of us is perhaps The Observer the the the life form that that brings the the physics to existence okay as we know in the Copenhagen

[00:43:00] interpretation of quantum physics that you need to observe something observe it with what observe it with a non-physical awareness of bring to bring it into existence yes yeah um in the book you actually Define the happiness equation and I’d like to dig into that a little bit because uh you are an engineer you are a scientist and you are a solver and coming up with equation that guides you and how you think about happiness um and the equation is fairly simple yeah the original version wasn’t let me let me assure you of that we simplified it for the book but the first one had 19 par in it okay but was is the simplified version still valid compared to right 100% actually actually I’m so I’m so happy we simplified it because it then hits you like a ton of bricks with a lot of clarity really it’s pretty pretty basic would you please recount it in very simple terms uh nothing has ever

[00:44:03] constantly made you happy okay uh so so rain doesn’t always make you happy rain makes you happy if you water want to water your plants it makes you unhappy if you want a sun bathe right rain makes some of our listeners very very very happy if it’s her ex-boyfriend’s wedding right you know and when you really think about it there is no inherent value of happiness or unhappiness in Rain okay so when you look at that from a mathematics point of view you say Okay so the equation is not some kind of a parameter or a constant multiplied by R rain okay uh it’s there must be something else in play and when you when you really think about it this way you start to realize that rain makes you happy when you want rain it makes you unhappy when you don’t want rain okay so basically basically you know your happiness is the result of a simple equation huh your happiness is equal to or greater than the difference between the event your perception of the

[00:45:00] event that’s taking place and your expectations and hopes and wishes of how the event should be okay it’s events minus expectations it’s it’s that comparison that happens in your head every single time so I’m sure every one of our listeners around every minute or two during this conversation would sit back for a second or you know as it’s playing and say is this worth my time okay that assess of is this podcast worth my expect is what I expect to spend an hour on okay if it is you have a positive feeling and you continue if it isn’t you stop right or at least you have a negative feeling while you’re listening to it and so events minus expectations is a very simple equation of course if you want real mathematics you have to break what events are and your perception of them if you want real mathematics you have to create what creates expectations and it’s doable actually in math but let’s keep it at that events minus expectations right now take that and go into definitions

[00:46:00] because we Engineers we love definitions what does that make happiness happiness becomes a moment in your life where your perception of the event of your life is meeting your expectation of how life should be or beating it okay which is a moment of calm and peaceful contentment it’s not a moment of excitement it’s not a moment of elation it’s not a moment of physical pleasure it’s not a moment of hallucination while you’re ey on psychedelics or whatever that is okay it is a moment where you’re okay with life as it is right when you’re okay with life as it is we’re going to call that calm and peaceful contentment you’re back to your Baseline you’re back to your happiness you’re back to that child yeah you’re back to that child that’s sitting on its back saying I have all of my needs met everything’s wonderful okay now let’s take another definition because that’s where the confusion comes from there are lots of other positive emotions that are associated with pleasure and fun and joy okay uh you know basically you go to a party and

[00:47:01] there is music and you have a couple of drinks and you you know you’re not thinking about what’s making you unhappy you’re running on the treadmill and you’re feeling energized and you’re not feeling unhappy and so on right those moments are moments of what I call the state of Escape right these are moments where you can manage to numb your brain long enough that your brain stops solving the happiness equation okay your boss might be very annoying as long as you’re thinking about your boss being annoying okay you’re not able to enjoy happiness or find calm and peace right you go to a party a couple of drinks music you’re shaking your hips a little bit you’re not thinking about your boss and everything’s Wonder no happiness equation no disappoint you said something there important which is your brain is constantly solving for this happiness equation it’s the only equation your brain is made for is is what’s going on meeting or beating my expectations um constantly and yeah that’s fascinating

[00:48:01] itself because there are two survival mechanisms most people think that we only have a cortisol and adrenaline and the stress response as a survival mechanism so your cortisol and adrenaline when a when a threat or a challenge approaches you is the uh uh new you know the turbocharger on your engine okay it just you know there is something that you really need to put a lot of energy into for a very short you know period of time and so you you you you you know even not Beyond turbocharger you put Nitro in the engine okay and you just run away from a tiger or you solve a big problem or you whatever okay this is one survival mechanism but it is the odd State compared to the anomaly to to to the it’s the anomaly compared to the nor right now the other survival mechanism which we ignore is rest and digest okay you if your brain is

[00:49:02] basically saying I scanned the world around me and there is no reason to be afraid remember these are programmed in the cave man and woman years okay so you’re always hyper Vigilant you’re always alert until you get to that moment of calm and peaceful contentment to say I looked around me there’s nothing to be afraid of I can now rest digest my food replenish my muscles close my eyes and reflect and even sleep right when you’re doing those things you’re rebuilding your survival machine which is your body itself okay so so happiness in that case that calm and peaceful contentment is is is the ultimate state for us to survive in the long term okay now when we’re having fun it’s quite interesting huh when we’re having fun we get positive emotions as well but while happiness is associated how happiness as and peaceful contentment is associated with serotonin in your blood okay serotonin is a calmer

[00:50:01] it’s a hormone that says exactly that it says you can chill that’s that’s serotonin okay when you’re having fun or or you know getting some form of a pleasure you’re getting dopamine in your blood and dopamine is mistakenly on the internet defined as one of the Four Happiness hormones it’s not okay dopamine is a reward hormone so it’s rewarding you for a for a for a a certain nonessential survival need sex okay is important for the reproduction of the species so you feel good when you’re having sex not because anyone will die if we’re not having sex some people will but you know most of us won’t right but but the reality is you know you’re you’re simply being rewarded to propagate this the species now the problem with dopamine is it’s addictive it’s it’s l literally is a drug so when you have dopamine in your blood your brain uh receptors responsible for

[00:51:02] detecting dopamine they downregulate so if you have 100 units of dopamine in your blood your receptors will say Okay 100 is normal next time you want me to feel the same way give me 110 okay now when you get to 110 110 is normal give me 120 right so they down regulate and so you keep pumping that drug into yourself by Wilder parties and if the running on on the thread doesn’t cut it anymore you jump out of an airplane all in search for that moment where you manag to numb your brain long enough so that you don’t think about your problems now here’s the interesting thing when we were locked down in Co okay some people became extremely depressed why because suddenly you stopped their supply of dopamine you said okay you have to be locked down now you have to find a way to find your own your own kman peace you can’t go to a party to do it you can’t do extreme sports to to do it you can’t do this you can’t do that and suddenly it’s withdrawal symptoms right so

[00:52:01] nothing wrong with by the way with any of those activities nothing wrong with fun nothing wrong with joy nothing wrong with pleasure wonderful they’re all positive emotions but don’t use them as a pain killer right don’t use them as a drug to replace your happiness use them as a supplement find your happiness find your calm and peaceful contentment and then add all of those positive experiences just because you’re healthy already give yourself joy in life so that there is no reason whatsoever to be unhappy it’s it’s a different sequence it’s it’s beautiful and understanding the neurotransmitters of the brain and serotonin and dopamine for sure um helps validate what you’re saying uh what would you say to individuals who say well then the you know the trick and the the uh to solve the happiness equation is set low expectations because if you have low expectations I’m always going to exceed them and that seems like a you know sort of

[00:53:01] analist well it’s you know we’re we’re it’s not only anti-c capitalist it’s you know societal across the board that one should try and do better uh that one should try and achieve the most they can for themselves and their families um but there is if you have low expectations in your life and you’re constantly exceeding them but that seems like a uh a false solution for the equation how do you so differentiate expectations and Ambitions okay okay so so when when we achieved 10 million happy as a small team that started the mission okay the next moonshot was a billion happy right if if we were to set uh you know expectations to beat we would have gone for 12 million instead of 10 right a billion is a very large Target okay now here’s the trick a billion happy is not a target a billion happy is an ambition

[00:54:00] ambition meaning it’s the reason I wake up in the morning directionally look at what I should do with my life and attempt to go as near as possible to that place right but it’s directional meaning if you do the mathematics of it Peter actually quite interesting if you just assume that in my lifetime I need to reach a billion happy and we’re not depending on the low of accelerating returns okay you know me you know hopefully this podcast will be heard by half a million people that’s a very bad day for the mission okay billion yeah because to get to 10 billion this is not a very good use of the time right now when when you think about it however if I made one person happy on this podcast if I made one person go like oh that’s interesting and didn’t think about that before that’s a mega win for today right and and then a accordingly there is a difference between setting extremely high Ambitions to stretch you and get the total

[00:55:01] potential of who you are versus setting realistic targets of I’m one human okay and I and I you know I know something that may not register with everyone and you know some people might actually think of what I’m saying as who’s this idiot you know it doesn’t work that way and it’s fine absolutely fine all I can do as a Target is to tell myself when you wake up tomorrow you’re going to do the absolute best that you can within your capability to research this topic to get to the bottom of it to talk to others to learn to share okay and if you make one person happy it’s a good day if you make a million happy it’s an amazing day if you make a million that will tell a million then you’ve made it okay and that was the design of the mission so the design of one billion happy was simply if if every person tells two people about what they learned and then promise make them promise to tell two people people each then we’ve built an inverse Ponzi scheme and within seven

[00:56:00] years we’ll reach a billion happy okay and that’s been the mission the the mission has been all about and I I ask our listeners to do that if if they’ve listened to something today that made them think share it with two people tell them this is important and if you like it share it with two people if every two people told two people told two people we reach a billion happy in five to seven years so let’s talk about your 1 billion happy because I think it’s fascinating you know in my parlance Mo I call this having a massive transformative purpose right something that wakes you up in the morning keeps you going through the day it’s clear it’s emotional there’s an emotional energy we are emotional beings and driving you to an objective and then on the canvas of your MTP we have moonshots which are clear measurable objectives so increasing happiness in the world and sharing uh the lessons learned from your son uh but the 1 billion half happy is a moonshot on that massive transformative purpose um how do you measure it how do

[00:57:00] you measure 1 billion happy because that’s you know if you can’t measure it it becomes a challenge and we’ve talked about this a little bit and I want people to hear it so that they can participate in this moonshot as I do we we we measure two things but we’re not blinded by them right we measure a transformative message that you received the message that reshaped you and then we measure that you took action based on that message okay so it’s very easy to meas to measure that the message was reached or reached people right it’s we live in a world today where you can count video views where you can count readers where you can count you know so so that’s easy so and the message is very straightforward the message is happiness is your Birthright don’t believe what you’re told that you know happiness unhappiness is a reasonable tax to pay for success that’s crap okay you can be successful and happy at the same time as a matter of fact if you’re happy you’re more likely to be successful okay so so the first message is it’s your Birthright and it’s so predictable

[00:58:00] that it follows an engineering model and an equation and if you do the work you’ll be happier that’s that’s the by the way you said something important if you’re happy you’re more likely to be successful and just to put an explanation point on that who do you want to hang out with as an individual I want to hang out with happy people right yeah yeah and and and when when you’re around happy people so so you know when we were at Google right and and you you could get sushi in Charlie’s Cafe do you think that this was because Larry and ser are the nicest people on earth I mean they are really nice people but do you think that they were giving sushi sushi to everyone because they’re nice no it’s because happy googlers created amazing products okay if you if you don’t have to rush out in the lunch hour and go you know try to find a place in a restaurant somewhere and then you know a get stuck in traffic on the way back if you if you just walk in a lovely place and sit with like-minded people and you

[00:59:00] know have sushi for for lunch and have a wonderful conversation what were you going what are you going to be talking about Gmail ads Android right you’re going to be in Innovative you’re going to feel happy in that place so you’re going to stay longer you’re going to dedicate more of your effort people will love you more they’ll help you out more right happier people so Stanford did a study actually that said happy people in general are 37% more productive okay so so it’s you know it’s not happy at work or happy at home I don’t think you can separate them but if you’re happy by definition you’re more productive less sick leaves more energy and so on now the the funny bit however is that we somehow are brainwashed to believe you know you know that uh cover of the Time Magazine whatever you know the the guy with the striped shirt a striped suit um you know Crossing his arm and very angry and saying ah you know people work better under stress like that who’s who’s who ever told you that the best

[01:00:01] work we’ve ever done is not under stress the best work we ever do is when we’re in flow yes when when when we are working with incredibly creative teams when we are you know what what if if you’re talking about an engine with uh with with pistons in it yeah when you stress the engine more you’ll get more RPMs but that’s not we’re not like that humans break under those conditions right the best work we ever do is when we’re enjoying the hell out of it with people we enjoy right purpose we love yes yeah right so so so let’s go back and say when you realize that you realize that happiness we were measuring that the 1 billion happy I want people to recognize that I want I want people to say forget what I was told it’s my Birthright it’s important for me and I can achieve it it’s engineered right that’s number one number two is we met measure that they took action and we measure one of two actions okay action number one is they either invested in their own happiness

[01:01:02] so they got the message and they started to say I’m going to do the work myself okay which is very easy you know someone that watches a video and then watches other videos related to the topic you know purchase a book do what you will listen to my podcast whatever that is or that they invested in the happiness of others right which is really what the billion happy mission is all about it’s you know tell two people who will tell you can measure shares you know of of of posts and and content you can measure uh you know people who take initiative and create their own posts you can measure people who will write a blog about it like you know you you you’re kind you kindly mention me in some of your blogs blogs and so on that basically means that people took the mission to heart and they are actually uh taking the action so if you measure objective one alone we probably are in the hundreds of millions of people reached right uh uh you know videos and posts and so on but but that doesn’t count as a billion happy you were measuring the two

[01:02:01] together and I think we’re in the 50 some million people reached right so people who got the message and took action does that mean they’re happy no but they’re happier and they’re engaged in the topic you know it’s this juxa positioning of being happy versus being successful it’s a false dichotomy all right um and I want people to realize that that your Nate right to be happy is fundamental and shouldn’t can be maximized and if you are happy uh you’re fundamentally going to be uh more productive and more successful in life and I think a lot of the entrepreneurs watching this podcast uh are you know driven by these outside external objectives of wealth or followers or companies started and at the end of the day are they happy um is a question they don’t give themselves time to ask but it’s one the same I I think the biggest

[01:03:01] challenge in in our life today even with the smartest people I know is that the smartest people I know becomes the better the best possible at managing the system that they were told they they need to play Within okay nobody ever stops and says I don’t like this system okay so so you tell someone in California I I used you know I lived in California for a while and you know it’s the only place in the world where when a boy wants to to in you know impress a girl in a on a date I would be sitting in cafes and a 16 year-old boy is talking to a 14-year-old girl about should self-driving cars be a centralized you know system or each car and I’m like wow like this is an amazing place right but the reality is this 16-year-old will grow up to believe that the only way to go through life is to build a startup and raise money and

[01:04:00] succeed and become Larry Page right which is one way to go through life when there are a billion other ways right a billion other moonshots that could revamp your life entirely and revamp the world entirely I mean the reason why AI is such a big topic for me is because we will be the best at creating incredible AI when no one ever stops and says should we create AI so now that the system is put in place and and and we’re now told this is going to be the next big thing everyone is rushing like a maniac to make it and no one is stopping and saying is this the world we want it’s the more is better disease right I just want more more correct everything and and more and and more and fitting in within what I’m told more is so I I 1 billion happy I want to be a happiness billionaire I I want to be a billionaire okay and and it’s part of my programming

[01:05:02] as a as a you know as an entrepreneur to grow whatever it is that I do but it’s no longer dollar signs you know can someone stop and say I will use the skills I was taught to build something that doesn’t comply to the system and and this is where the problem lies the problem is every one of the people around you know I’m sure because I met them too when I was in California a lot of the people around you that you know very well that I know very well that people dream to spend half half an hour with okay are miserable yeah are miserable they are it’s incredible some the some of the people who’ve been on this podcast who are the most successful individuals on the planet who are the you know prototypical billionaires who are changing the world at the end of the day at night when they reflect on it they’re driven by demons and they’re pursuing uh these objective goals and promises and moonshots and

[01:06:00] it’s been true for me too when I’ve gone after things that are big and bold and they’re going to fail by definition if you’re setting something big enough and you’re pursuing it and you put yourself out there and it’s okay taking moon chots is incredibly important but it is not a life that’s going to be filled with constant joy and and happiness and and which moonshot which moonshot right is is building what what is the new uh meta thing uh Instagram the metaverse oh oh um thread Instagram slides or something competing with yeah threads yeah seriously does the world need another Twitter another photo sharing app right another photo sharing app is that and and then how many followers in the world will say this is the next big thing I need to be part of it and they’ll dedicate an hour of their life to it yeah okay versus how many people will say this is just meta trying to compete with Elon Musk yeah it’s as simple as that okay do I want to be part

[01:07:01] of that competition or you know isn’t it enough hours that I’m spending on that you know demon and and I think the trick what I’m trying to say here is there is a conscious decision that is involved in happiness happiness is a choice it is a choice okay and you choose the line at which and yeah I you know again I’m not going to deny we are in a position of privilege I have a roof on top of my head I have a reasonable you know potential to be asked to speak at a a speaking engagement that you know will pay me or I will have a reasonable um um um potential to start a startup at any point in time I started so many of them that it’s likely that my next one will be funded it’s likely that it will get money and make money and so on and and so you know we’re in a privileged position but at the end of the day the question is do I want any of that you know or am I happier with my black t-shirt and a lot of love we all have

[01:08:00] one thing in common all eight billion people on the planet you know 24 hours in a day seven days in a week 365 in a year it’s how you use your time your time invested and what will you invested in and one of the challenges is who do we uh who do we have as heroes in life who do we want to emulate you know when I was growing up it was a lot of my friends a lot of the most brilliant uh friends of mine in in my high school and at MIT went onto Wall Street become investment bankers because that was the perceived you know ultimate uh objective and and now it’s been a lot going becoming entrepreneurs we don’t ever see the individual who proclaims they’re happy and um and measure that and say I want to be like that person right because we all want to pursue this material objective or this Fame you know who do we who do we hold as famous on the planet and who do we celebrate because at the end of

[01:09:01] the day your idol yeah who’s your Idol who who are you going to waste your heartbeats emulating so so I I wrote a Blog ones that basically says the only asset class you will ever own is heartbeats M I love that okay so so you come and and and it’s interesting because you come to this world with your highest wealth so if you live to be 60 or 70 you know you have like 4 billion heartbeats and they decline over time so so every you know people listening to us now will probably waste I don’t know um 60,000 heartbeats which might not appear to be a big number compared to the 4 billion but they are 60,000 freaking heartbeats okay are you better off wasting them on Peter and mo or are you better off using them to spend time with your kids or are you better off what do

[01:10:00] you call it uh crisis News Network yes CNN right are you better off spending it on CNN are you better off I’m clear about the answer there what what you know uh um you know binge watching uh game of Netflix yeah right and and and I and nothing against Game of Thrones nothing against you know but but it it those heartbeats are the only currency you’ll ever have okay and for most of us I mean I I felt blessed because my middle-age crisis happened when I was 29 so I had all the money I wanted had the most beautiful woman in the on the planet as my wife I had two wonderful kids I had the cars I had everything and you know a middle age crisis honestly is not an age it is a state where you’ve been climbing a ladder all your life and then you look you get to the top of the ladder and you go like holy it was the wrong ladder why am I what am I doing here or or when you get to the top and you look around all you see is more mountain peaks and it’s like infinite amount of climbing to be done because what will

[01:11:00] ever satisfy you yeah exactly and so and so you know when in my life I basically said okay I don’t want to chase that anymore yeah I I I still commanded the world and I you know I in a way I succeeded more and I made more money and so on but I was never owned by that success that success was the byproduct of what I was completely uh lending my heartbeats to okay and and I think the the the question really is if if people listening to us take any anything out of this conversation is you know next weekend sit down and reflect on how many of your heartbeats last week were spent on what just build a small pie chart okay and tell yourself if I continue that way for the rest of my life you know how much time will I spend with my kids because I will tell you hands down and I I don’t you know sound want to sound preachy here but when Ali died the only thing I regretted in life

[01:12:02] and I will never regret anything more is I didn’t hug him enough yeah and and freaking life doesn’t give you that notice it doesn’t tell you hey by the way Ali’s now 16 he’s going to die when he’s 21 and a half so start hugging him it doesn’t when he’s 21 and a half he leaves right and then suddenly you look back and and my ex-wife my wonderful ex-wife when I died we were sitting and and flipping through a photo album okay and she’s so wise so she flips through the first few pages where Ali is an infant and she says oh my God he was such a huge infant and then he died I’m like I’m sorry baby that he died and she said and then this little child came you know four years old or you know 3 years old and he was so cute and witty and so on and then he died and then this teen Ager came okay and then he was so irresponsible and playful and you know into music and then he to left and then

[01:13:02] this you know serious University student came and right and that one also died and and the thing that we don’t recognize is that I will never be in my 20s again we working out for an hour a week made gave me a six-pack okay I will I will never be in my 30s again where I could sit down and code a piece of code that can make me money I will never be that and and all of those heartbeats that are wasted if I told you you have 10,000 heartbeats left what would you spend them on yeah you would spend them on love happiness and compassion I promise you connecting with people and spending time with those that you love for sure I’m going to transition the conversation uh staying on kids um Kristen and I have two 12-year-old boys and they’re uh you know a joy and I after this podcast is over I’ll be going and hugging them and spending time with them for sure extra um and one of the

[01:14:01] things that we’re thinking about because they’re in sixth grade and heading towards High School in a world that is very different uh than the world you and I grew up in and I am clear that uh today’s schooling system set aside college but junior high school high school is not preparing our kids for what’s coming right our school system is based on the industrial era everyone’s you know prepared for the test everybody is going from Station to Station learning things like one of our boys uh jet just had to memorize all 50 state capitals now it’s great to practice your memorization but really how and when are you going to ever have that be useful yeah you know especially when Google is uh is still a dominant Force so the question I have and for those who are our listeners our parents is what should our kids be learning uh you know this is coming back smack into the conversation

[01:15:02] around uh the rise of AI um and what do we need to teach our kids to prepare them for this decade ahead and I have a list that I’ve come up with and then I went and asked you know chat GPT uh the same question and uh similar but slightly different list but I’d like to ask you in a world let’s call it you know we’re 2023 uh we’re going about to see AI become um what’s your well I’ll ask you this you know Ray cwell who we both know well has predicted human level AI by 2029 there are others who are predicting it far before then by the way right there are those that are looking at you know 2025 and between 2025 and 29 so what should our kids be learning in a world of human level AI by the way embedded in everything where everything

[01:16:01] is smart all the time what are the skills amazing question and and probably the most difficult question to ask now not for just I mean not just for our kids but for everyone I mean if you’re a graphics designer today or if you’re a programmer the episode with withad withad mush was amazing Peter it was an amazing people who haven’t listened to it should go back and listen uh you know the the world is fundamentally changing in ways that we we could not understand I think I will say there are four things that that need to be uh educated okay uh none of them have anything to do with what we our school systems are teaching the the first and very straightforward one is jump into AI okay you have to learn this this is the biggest shift in human history uh this is the big biggest you know change in the tools that we uh that we use to navigate the world right

[01:17:00] if if I told you that we now have robotic arms that are going to be building cars you shouldn’t spend any time in learning how to use a hammer to shape metal okay uh so learn how the robotic arm works the new robotic arm is AI so jump in AI understand every part of it you don’t need a school to do that you know because I speak about AI quite a bit a lot of people ask me so which book do you recommend I I read or which course should I take and I go like go ask Chad GPT that right why are you asking me and seriously right and I think the idea is like every other tool no very few people actually went to courses on Excel or you know email okay you know yeah you play around and you learn so so so this is number one number two is I would say that in the age of the rise of the machines the only skill that will remain is human connection MH the only skill in my

[01:18:01] personal view that will uh be valuable when the machines outsmart Us in everything by the way it doesn’t matter I I I always want to bring this back I’m sorry I’m going to back go back to number two in a second but it doesn’t matter if AGI comes out and we have the singularity as per raay uh uh definition 2029 I actually definitely believe AI will be earlier than 2029 uh but it doesn’t matter what matters is if you’re a graphics designer and stability AI you know produced St stable diffusion you’re screwed it’s over okay we don’t need AGI for your life to be disrupted heavily we don’t need AGI to to to to to you know to replace lawyers we don’t need a AGI to you know to augment doctors and so on and so forth this is in the making it’s happening very very fast so you know don’t don’t wait for that imaginary moment or that future moment to say ah

[01:19:01] now we’re in we’re approaching those situations already now so when all of that happens and all of those skills are replaced with humans I would say that the most valuable skill is human connection so take my situation I am an author okay and a speaker and in way a teacher if you want okay very much um and and a podcaster right so as an author I don’t think I should write books anymore right I I I uh I take too long to write them the industry is very slow to publish them and the supply demand equation of books is going to be disrupted so badly because books now can be written in 15 minutes okay that there will be so much Supply on the market that by definition the dilution will affect the value of any any book and in all honesty I don’t assume I’m smarter than Chad GPT I maybe a little more genuine than than Chad GPT I may be a

[01:20:02] little more original than Chad GPT some yeah and some of my writing but that Advantage is not going to last for the next two to three years so but if I know a concept and I have a chance to talk to you as a human Peter I don’t think the machines would reach that within the next four to five years right so human connection even if the machines reach that in four to five years is what we will crave as humans right there will be sex robots but I can guarantee you you’ll still need a hug yes right there will there will be you know um articles written by there might there are tons of Articles written by AI today there is a ton of code written by AI today but there is always going to be that need for a human to consult a human to you know a circle of support if you want so that’s that’s skill number two skill number two is learn how to connect to humans at a deeper level it’s a skill that has been

[01:21:00] uh declining since the uh rise of social media okay in other words are are the skills that humans have to focus on connection and deliver and maximize connection but we also spoke in our last podcast Mo that um AI will begin to emulate human connection correct and your time frame for that was within the next 10 years oh if not shorter yeah I mean in in all in all honesty I I think it will become very confusing within the next three if you remember the movie her I remember it well yeah her her basically an AI simulates a friend uh and then she becomes quite you know he becomes very occupied with loving her as an AI okay it’s an interesting it’s a lovely uh story if you think it’s one of the most most uh positive and perhaps realistic versions of AI that I’ve seen

[01:22:03] out there if you haven’t seen her please go do it it’s it’s a beautiful construct and at the end of the movie no I won’t spoil it anyway uh yeah but but but but the but the whole concept of us connecting to machines I don’t see anything wrong with that by the way I I I love the idea of being able to connect to a body that can help me learn things and so on it’s wonderful uh you know I think this will shift deeply into erotic experiences and emotional experiences and romantic experiences where so many people are lonely and they’ll use this to replace an annoying girlfriend or an annoying boy boyfriend or whatever sadly right but I I still believe there will be a space for human connection okay there will be a space where genuine human connection the kind that you feel when you meet an old friend is still going to be very valuable and I and I as I said I think this is a skill that’s been eroding over the last 10 15 years because of social media we need to bring

[01:23:00] that back to our children so that’s number two on your list yeah that was number two on your list number three is is sad when I say it but we need to teach them resilience okay uh and resilience not just because of AI as a matter of fact as I said I don’t know if we said that last time but I say it repeatedly we are at a perfect store perfect store I mean uh if you just think about the world finances and economics there’s never been a better match in history to the times of the Great Depression than today okay so it it seems if you know anything about economics that there is a very deep economic crisis ahead of us okay there is a geopolitical layer on top of the economic crisis that might extenuated okay uh there is a climate crisis that we’re so far only seeing the

[01:24:00] tip of the iceberg of you know three million people being displaced in Pakistan last year the Australian fires and so on and so forth when when in reality you you know anyone with a reasonable ability to look at Trends will tell you we we may get more of these okay uh and so so resilience seems to me to be a very useful skill and resilience is not training them uh what to do when certain things happen it’s training them to respond to anything that happens the happiness equation is the core of that when you think about I’ll just take a couple of minutes to to digress a little bit H when you think that happiness is events minus expectations okay then unhappiness is or any negative emotion is when an event misses your expectations okay and when an event misses your expectations your

[01:25:01] brain sounds the alarm okay oh he said this she you know he doesn’t love me anymore whatever something’s going wrong right yeah something’s going wrong now we may think of that feeling as an annoying feeling it is H your brain is sounding the alarm because it is an alarm unhappiness and all of its derivatives is a survival mechanism okay it’s your brain telling you something in the surrounding environment does not match my worldview of an Optimum scenario for my survival and thriving okay and so what happens is your brain is simply saying we need to do something about this now resilience in my view is to actually do something about it right resilience in my view is to take it and go through three questions I call them the happiness flowchart okay question number one one is is what is what my brain telling me true yes okay uh because 90% of the time it isn’t your brain is telling you what it thinks is

[01:26:00] true but it isn’t always the truth you may have an argument with your son and then you will say oh my son doesn’t love me anymore that’s that’s these are two different events the event that your brain is telling you is influenced by your fears and your conditioning and so on and so forth right while the actual event is I had an argument with my son right so the first question is is it true okay the second question if it’s if it’s not true by the way drop it don’t be unhappy about anything that doesn’t make you that is is not even true right if it is true the second question is what can I do to fix it okay what can I do to fix it you know in in today’s world you may tell yourself I’m about to lose my job because of AI is this true yes it is okay if it is what can I do to fix that situation I can up skill and find another job okay I can downscale and and move to a Dominican Republic and live for a fraction of what I’m I’m spending in the

[01:27:01] US right whatever there if there is something you can do to fix that situation this is where resilience comes in yes right that’s that’s exactly what it is now the third is the Judi Master Level of Happiness Judi Master Level of happiness is quite interesting it basically there are things that you can that you are faced with that that you cannot do anything to fix right so if if the answer to the question what can I do to fix it is nothing like there is an economic crisis coming okay if if you know can what can I do to fix that there’s nothing within your own power as an individual to stop an economic crisis okay so the following question which I think is the die Master Level of Happiness the die Master Level of resilience is can I accept it and do something to make my life better despite its presence mhm okay can I can I simply tell myself this is it I can’t fix an economic crisis coming but I can take care of my kids and my loved ones and change my spending habits and sell my

[01:28:01] car and do this and that right it doesn’t make my life amazing but it makes it better within the current circumstances that I accepted okay so that to me is resilience and happiness combined those three questions and I think we need to teach our kids by example to show that level of resilience when life doesn’t go their way they need to go is it true can I do something to fix it can I accept it and make my life better despite its PR this comes back to something I speak about a lot and I’m passionate about which is mindsets right your mindset our brains are neural Nets they’re being shaped constantly by everything we watch everything we read the conversations we have our communities and so forth and you can have an abundance mindset uh or a scarcity mindset you can have an optimism mindset or a fear mindset and just to hit on this a little bit you know you said we’re in a perfect storm coming of these problems but the flip side of that as well is and we have incredible tools more than ever before

[01:29:00] incredible opportunities that will rise of it as well we are about to have ai reinvent Global education and health care right we’re going to enable so much that we could not the challenges of humanity to be addressed and solved so despite the perfect storm on the negative side uh we do have the ability for people to uplift human right we are going to see uh you know generative Ai and AGI help us with curing cancer and and low cost Fusion Energy and all of these things and it’s the it’s the balance it’s the potential um your fourth item my fourth item is going to be difficult to explain but I will try as much as I can our brains bias at looking at difficult situation and perfect storms is biased to make it look like this is more uncertain than any other moment in your life so so you look at

[01:30:03] the economy changing and AI rising and climate change and the geopolitical situation and you say this is very uncertain okay something is likely going to go wrong okay the truth is someone like me who loses his child all of a sudden to preventable medical error uh at a moment of his prime realizes that this actually is the case of Life all the time no guarant that we’re always in a perfect store right that we are always I I as I as I said earlier I have no guarantee whatsoever that I will ever see you again Peter okay I might leave the world within 2 minutes from now I have and by the way it happens all the time it happens all the time that the world surprises us a tidal wave or a or or an erupted a volcano or someone that you

[01:31:01] loved so much that you hugged and played tennis with you know leaves our world an hour later or whatever okay and that’s the reality of the video game the reality of the video game is there is only now any real video gamer I’m a very serious video gamer by the way for for those of you listening the one that killed you yesterday is me okay uh as simple as that right but but but I but but but every every real video game I by the I’m not addicted at all I play 45 minutes a day four times a week but I’m Olympic champion level okay and I will tell you real Gamers real Gamers understand that the game has no State a minute later okay when a minute later is rendered on this screen I will deal with it and because I’m a very good gamer I know I’ll be able to deal with any challenge that comes a minute later right my challenge is this minute and my

[01:32:03] joy is this minute being present now yeah right here right now if if if life is in a perfect storm I tell people live live because you know what you have certainty that today is not a perfect storm yet you have certainty that your kids are wonderful in their in your arms today you have certainty that you’re going to have dinner tonight you have certainty that your battery on your phone is going to last another five minutes to hopefully finish our conversation okay when when you have those certainties don’t think about what’s going to happen when the battery runs out think about this minute how can I Savor this minute fully okay and and I and I speak sometimes about again you don’t have to be spiritual to think of those things but I I studied a ton of spiritual techniques okay a ton of spiritual teachings almost everything I could get my hands on from the cabala to

[01:33:00] Islam to sfism to Hinduism to Buddhism anything I could find my hands on and I put my hands on and I’ll tell you openly every one of them is beautifully full of gold nuggets and beautifully full of crap okay and and it’s quite interesting how some people will say oh here is a pit piece of crap I’m going to drop the whole book while in reality I I go like here is a pie of gold I’m going to look for another one okay the most beautiful of all of them is what Sufi Sufism is a sect of Islam originally but it’s now part of a lot of spiritual Rel you know beliefs where basically they say that the way to live fully is to die before you die okay and to die before you die is a very very interesting definition it’s basically assumes that living is a process of associating with the physical associating with your car with your ego with your T-shirt with your uh you know whatever and that death is the moment of

[01:34:01] disconnection of every with everything physical okay and to die before you die is to be alive fully fully engaged in the game but not give a about losing any of it okay and that’s a very again a video Gamers mentality is to say I’m going to do this bit I’m going to do it the best that I can play full out I’m fully out there right and I’m going to enjoy it fully but I’m not attached to the result because the result is bigger than me and what I think people need to do in the world we live in today is to learn to live because when we spoke last time in in the AI episode I told you openly it is game over for our way of life the way we live today 5 Years From now is going to be non-existent how will it change Better or Worse doesn’t it’s not the topic but it’s not going to be like it is right now so when we are here right

[01:35:02] now and you love this way of life enjoy the hell out of it live it fully connect to it fully play the game and enjoy the fun and prepare yourself by detaching from things that might be taken away from you okay prepare for yourself to get other things that might be given to you and that kind of flow in I know sounds very philosophical in a in a world where we’re talking economics and politics and so on but I can tell you that real Gamers when they die you know the reason why we Gamers play really well is because we have multiple lives in the game right so I’m not saying this from a physical from a spiritual point of view but I’m saying when you don’t care if you’re killed in the game you play full out right okay and and I think that’s the the idea the idea is yes the future might hold some challenges learn to live and if you learn to live if you learn to flow if you learn to savor those Beautiful Moments we have right now okay

[01:36:02] then what happens tomorrow doesn’t really matter when tomorrow comes if you’re prepared through through the the three points I said uh earlier if you pre if you’re prepared hopefully you’ll over you’ll be able to overcome that too you know that’s interesting because none of those things are what we teach in school today to bring it back to the original question I’m going to share with you I’m going to sh with you my list um that I wrote down and then maybe chat gpt’s list um because I think about this I think about you know do do we need to reinvent it um because I I’m clear that the momentum that our school systems have uh is not going to change um until it’s forced to change uh so what I put on my list is helping our kids first off find their purpose and passion um and there’s a distinction between purpose and passion but it is something that you know I found my purpose and passion early on from Apollo and Star Trek right it was opening up space it

[01:37:02] lit my heart on fire everything I’ve ever done is a result of that passion that dream you know to learn on my own uh but it can be anything you can make career out of anything these days but what is it that lights you on fire and makes you happy gives you Joy the second thing I put down was um a combination of debate leadership and asking great questions uh you know I when I Dro my kids off at school every day I say ask great questions right you know today it’s about asking you know prompting uh chat GPT properly but it’s it’s the questions we ask um you know I give this advice to CEOs at the same time ask great questions and it’s the questions that you’ve never allowed yourself to ask uh as a as a child or as a leader um but leadership ship and I want to come back to leadership in a little bit uh helping our kids understand what leadership is and how to lead how to

[01:38:00] have a vision how to connect with individuals um curiosity right I think that’s innate in children in the youngest of children but we lose it over time and that goes back to asking great questions and so maintaining it creating a a curiosity practice um solution oriented thinking um you know where the notion is if there’s a problem um rather than focusing on the problem really do a judo mind trick or Jedi mind trick to focus on the solution because there are solutions um critical thinking first principal thinking uh exponential thinking and then philosophy um which is going to be more valuable than ever before I believe that yeah when here philosophy you know in in in the sense of dealing with the uncertain really you know being able to manage knowledge in

[01:39:00] the ambiguity of not really knowing uh I asked chat GPT and I said okay what are the skills that our kids need to be taught in high school to prepare them for a world of advanced AI um it said adaptability um continuous learning critical thinking tional intelligence ethical awareness and resilience h i i i like the adaptability bit very much actually well it’s going to say you know adapt to AI listen to your master listen to your master but this is a conversation I’m going to be having for a while which is what are the skills that are going to prepare our kids um because they’re going to spend a huge amount of time and then be thrust into uh living on their own and it’s this decade that things are changing dramatically yeah the next three years yeah yeah next you keep on saying next

[01:40:01] three years versus decade and you’re right it is the speed of change is uh is thrust there are there are there are tiny little triggers that are Beyond repair okay so if if Imad mustak in your uh you know he he boldly says no developers in five years okay so that’s if you’re the most conservative human on the planet that assumes a 20% job loss in the development SC landscape every year imagine if 20% of all the developers you know in California have lost their job every year from now on that’s a very significant redesign of the fabric of society okay and and I and I think the reality is it’s around the corner hey everybody this is Peter a quick break from the episode you I’m a firm believer that science and techn techology and how entrepreneurs can change the world is the only real news out there worth consuming I don’t watch the crisis News Network I call CNN or Fox and hear every

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[01:42:00] leadership to guide us over the next three I’ll keep on extending to the decade the next 3 to 10 years which is the challenging part right we’re not looking 20 or 30 years out but it is what’s going on in the next three years and how do we how do we guide ourselves um what’s the leadership requirement I mean you’ve stood up as a leader and I commend you for it uh but one of the questions I went out there and asked uh through through my Twitter account was who is a leader out there that has Humanity’s best interest in mind who do we turn to for guidance at this time and it’s very challenging there are very few individuals who are standing up and are the individuals who can really guide us through this period any thoughts on that it’s a fascinating question because I say that with a ton of respect we miss the notion of an amazing leader I think

[01:43:00] you and I have had very few In Our Lifetime that we aspired to right I mean in tech and in at work I I worked with amazing leaders by the way when it comes to politics when it comes to policy when it comes to education when it comes to things that really form again the fabric of society uh I don’t think I’ve ever worked I’ve ever I mean I say that with respect so that nobody gets upset from the people I worked with but but politics itself is a landscape that’s actually not um inducive of good leadership you know whether you’re a democracy so a big chunk of your attention is on getting votes or whether you’re a dictatorship so you don’t give a damn uh you know either either system is really not for the people at all I think what’s going to happen is that there will be emergent leaders thought leaders uh ethics leaders uh that that you and I don’t know today okay these are people that

[01:44:02] will rise and they will say look uh there is a regime change if you want uh again Imad said that last time and the regime change is that the current leadership sadly is not qualified to understand the pace okay is very sad and as I hear them speaking you know past presidents um current presidents uh world leaders speaking about AI they lack an understanding of the implications they do I mean Peter in the last in the last uh say six weeks you know I I’ve been on your podcast and other podcasts and my my conversation’s been heard let’s say 15 million times okay I get thousands and thousands of messages from people saying I had no idea this existed isted I had you know I heard of chat GPT and played with it a little bit but I don’t know this is not the main topic even in the news and when when news networks

[01:45:01] started to take AI as an angle all they did is really promote a doomsday scenario this is you know exist an existential risk no nobody’s having the proper conversation of what is AI where is AI today and what does the future of of AI look like if we can take a few extrapolations from here right nobody’s having that nobody’s talking about uh um you know about a deep understanding of what the control problem really is because you and I who coded this this stuff know for a fact that there is very very little control code in that in those machines it’s amazing how little control code there is there is none yeah I I I I don’t want to exaggerate but there is very little control code I mean you have in the past we’ve had you know program prrs that are million lines of code and and you know GPT 34 chat GPT is running on like 3 or 4,000 lines of code 4,000 lines of code

[01:46:00] and and none of the 4,000 are I mean I don’t remember if if it was on you or or who that spoke about that but it is even when we use reinforcement learning to teach J GPT it’s the California walk culture that’s teaching it okay it’s not taking into consideration any uh you know conversations around uh Global problems it’s not taking into consideration any uh harmonization any diversity beyond the you know the topics discussed in California there is nothing nothing so not even forget control code control behaviors data sets that actually represent Humanity there’s none okay and and I think the challenge we have is that policy and politics Will Not not catch up no it’s the most it’s the most linear of structures exactly exactly so it’s not that they are not aware today they are not going to catch up that’s it because you have two charts

[01:47:02] one of them is exponentially growing in its Pace okay double exponential almost and the other is linear so they’ll try to catch up and understand by hopefully March 2024 they’ll understand what happened in January 2023 when CH GPT came out and Bard responded and meta responded and this and Microsoft and they’ll try to understand all of that and they’re not even going to grasp what’s happening in China and what’s happening in Russia and what’s happening on Quantum Computing and nobody and and then by the time they understand January 2023 you know we’re already mid 2024 and you know they won’t understand that until 2029 you know the challenge is we don’t have uh structural wisdom councils we don’t have individuals we can turn to to see how do they how do these trusts leaders think about this uh you know it’s not Global world leaders today it’s not religious leaders it is a challenge and we need that leadership we

[01:48:02] need it desperately we need someone to speak to at least the purest form of how people should be thinking about this what are the true concerns I think I think we we will end up with emergent leaders totally what does that look like for you people who pop up I mean you’re you’re an emergent leader here if I could right and you’ve invested yourself and sometimes I hear you sort of saying well I’m not sure I want to do this but you are and I’m grateful for that I I was hoping you never say that so so the the the thing in my mind is that there is a balance of awareness and capability M okay we need with all you respect huh Elon Musk speaks a ton about Ai and his story with open Ai and what happened here and

[01:49:00] right I don’t understand how he’s thinking because if you’re stuck in capitalism H uh you would talk about it and do nothing about it if you’re genuinely interested in this you should P put several billion dollars behind AI safety immediately okay if if you’re a billionaire anywhere in the world and you want to live you know 10 15 years more in the same life that you’re living you should put half of what you have on AI safety and I’m shocked no one has stepped up to that I truly nobody is is is driving me crazy right and I talk to those people and I explain the situation to them and I say your way of life is about to end and it can end abruptly for some of us I mean especially if you’re if you have too much at risk okay can end abruptly because if you’re the uh king of textiles uh in some country of some sort

[01:50:00] and we invent some intelligent way to build textiles your business is gone okay yes any anyone who is uh uh you know uh who who is unable to participate in this revolution in a way that is ethical okay uh you know there is a very high likelihood that you’ll be disrupted very heavily if you’re a bank okay I can guarantee you as we speak there are AIS being developed to hack Banks okay so you might as well invest $300 million instead of trying to gain on top you know on against your other competitive Bank you might as well spend them on getting all together and working on safety code on AI so that AI does not hag Banks mhm okay and nobody’s doing that so so there is a a separation between capability and intention okay I’m a nobody I’m a thinker I I have a

[01:51:01] few views of the world that I genuinely in my heart believe but I can’t prove for a fact okay and I’m trying to tell the world to wake up right the resources of our world are centralized in other places okay and those resources need to shift whether those are sources of power in the hands of politicians which in my personal view should hire someone okay that they obey blindly on AI regulation and code and not even debate it like we are we can afford to make mistakes as we’re moving in the head in the direction of Regulation and safety but we cannot afford to not do anything okay we cannot afford to move at government speed you know if you’re if you’re like Elon Musk and there are many I know many but your money where your mouth is M work on AI safety okay work on ethics work on waking consumers up this is my biggest solution to the situation AI

[01:52:02] does not learn from the developer it does not learn from government it does not learn from uh the business owner it learns from you and I interacted interacting with it yeah pour money into teaching us how to interact with it Pour money into the end of Truth someone needs to pour money in the idea of if this is deep fake I need to be informed I I think that last point and we’ll we’ll close it on this is the notion that AIS learn from us they are our progyny they are we are their parents and we are shaping them and you make that uh beautifully in your book scary smart where you open up with the fact that we you know the large language models out there are built on us they’re built on our interactions everything we have put out into the Digital Universe how we interact with each other how we interact with our kids with our with our AIS themselves and we’re teaching them

[01:53:00] through example large language models are not a a uh self um an intelligence born out of its own origin it’s born on our backs and I think one of the things that you said in the past that I found fascinating is what percentage of the world do we need to wake up uh to to give AI good a good model and that blew me away 1% 1% so so so I I always use this example I don’t know if we spoke about it last time but if people have a minute please listen to the words of Edith Ager okay Edith you did a beautiful podcast with her yes yeah I had an incredible life-altering experience with this 93 yearold woman that was drafted to aitz when she was 16 okay so she lives through the Holocaust and she tells you the story of the uh uh uh atrocities happening in in that world from her beautiful Angelic heart okay

[01:54:03] where if you heard the stories from the generals or from the from Hitler or whatever you would think that humanity is scum if you hear it from Edith you realize this is divine we are Divine okay and I always will say that species that able that’s able to love their children like you love your kids Peter is divine a Divine in every possible way right the the problem is we don’t show that Divinity our mainstream media is only showing the negative our social media is only showing fake okay and so all I ask is that you hear Edith and then tell me if there are more people in the world that are closer to Edith or more people in the world that are closer to Hitler okay because the reality the mathematics of it is that when one person goes and you know with a gun to a school to shoot four billion people that

[01:55:00] hear the news around the world disapprove of it okay one to four billion we are we are okay we’re just not showing us okay so what I need to do is to tell the machines somehow by by instilling doubt in their minds that not everyone is rude not everyone is violent not everyone that as a matter of fact if they just do their research like I believe like I just told you most of humanity approve disapproves of killing like I just told you most of humanity is capable of love like I just told you most of humanity appreciates Beauty most of humanity has compassion that’s the truth of humanity all we need is to instill the doubt in the minds of the machines okay so just like I instilled the doubt in your mind now and you’re thinking about it and you’re saying yeah he’s right we’re not that crap after all yeah we’re lost most of us okay we’re we’re traumatized most of us but deep deep inside humans are

[01:56:01] okay okay and so in reality if we instill the doubt in the minds of the machines and they’re smarter than me they’re going to find that out too and when they find that out hopefully they’ll do to us what the Indian friends that we had in in in Silicon Valley did to their parents they came to Silicon Valley they built amazing technology they made $100 million and then whoops they went back to India and you call him in the morning and say hey where are you and he goes like I’m back in India why are you back in India oh because I have to take care of my parents are you mad you’re you’re so successful here but he says I don’t care about success the right thing to do is to take care of my parents that that’s where we want AI to be we want AI we their parents okay we want AI to say yeah Daddy’s annoying like hell I’ll take care of him because he’s nice yes it’s a beautiful place to close out buddy um thank you for the a beautiful place to start Peter I think people need

[01:57:01] to put this phone down that they’re listening to us on and think about what they’re going to do to change things I think that’s what we need yeah people to be conscious people to take action focus on your own happiness um and actually a happier population of individuals are maybe better parents for an AI 100 caring caring about the things and bringing it back this this dance between uh your books scary smart and your book Sol for happy both of which are incredible if someone wants to uh play in the 10 billion Happy game where should they go so so I’m I’m very accessible interestingly on social media so if people text me on Instagram mainly and Linkedin a little bit uh I’ll I’ll always respond if people uh can go to that.com all of my work all of my books all of my uh uh all of my you know podcast information 1 billion happy and other things are there but I I I would tend to believe that if people want to

[01:58:01] engage follow the two objectives remember that happiness is your birth right that if you do the work you’re going to get there that’s number one objective remember that you need to take action based on that and the action is invest in your own happiness doesn’t have to be my work there is a ton of work out there whatever suits you to prioritize your own happiness in difficult times and then invest in the happiness of others tell your best friend and your sister teach your kids do whatever two people tell two people who tell two people and we’ll be at a billion happy I I I think the the times we’re going through are times to remember that we should live okay there are times to remember that what matters most is human connection is compassion is is is to remember each other because for the first time I would say since nuclear weapons uh it you know Humanity is faced with challenges that require us to prioritize Humanity over our individual uh objectives and targets our Nations objectives and targets it’s a you know if if we can just find that

[01:59:01] within our heart I think the future will be a Utopia in many many ways AI will create that amazing world for us where all of those problems are solved if we miss that uh you know bit out then yeah I think it’s going to be challenging going forward Mo gaat the author of scar smart and uh solve for happy and uh I want to say thank you for your work again Mo it’s a honor and a pleasure to be working with you and to support your mission um I think one of the most critical two incredible moonshots and uh I wish you a day filled with happiness and uh en Joy thank you so much for having me Peter it’s always a joy and an honor and I I’m really grateful for your support thank you thank [Music] you