pure Consciousness is infinite possibilities it’s infinite creativity it’s infinite Evolution it’s infinitely self-organizing and self-regulating so once we get in touch with the source of creativity not only in you but me and we find that we have different creative Outlets you know you you are a musician and I’m a mathematician and so and so knows how to uh program computers and so and so knows how to tell a good story then we take a problem and we collectively harness our Collective creativity while staying with the collective Vision we have and staying connected with each other at an emotional and spiritual level no problem is unsolved and a massive transformative purpose is what you’re telling the world it’s like this is who I am this is what I’m going to do this is the dent I’m going to make in the universe
[00:01:01] welcome to mindsets and moonshots it’s my pleasure to welcome world renowned Pioneer in integrative medicine and personal transformation Dr Deepak troa Time Magazine described him as one of the top 100 Heroes and icons of the century deepo is the founder of the Chopra Foundation a nonprofit entity for research on well-being and humanitarianism as well as Chopra Global a modern-day Health company at the intersection of Science and spirituality he’s also a clinical professor of family medicine and Public Health at the University of California San Diego and also serves as a senior scientist with the Gallup organization incredibly he has written over 90 books including many New York Times bestsellers and we’ll be spending time today speaking about longevity purpose and his most recent book abundance the Inner Path to wealth deepo a pleasure to have you here thank you it’s always nice to see you
[00:02:00] and be in conversation you I think one of the things that is so fun for me is that uh 10 years ago I wrote a book called abundance the future is better than you think and just you know on the 10 year anniversary you came out with abundance the Inner Path to wealth uh and I saw that and I love the concept of abundance uh we Define abundance slightly differently uh and I’d love to discuss you know sort of the your understanding of it and see what abundance means to you and where we might see where the overlap is uh let’s begin with your definition of abundance deach abundance is the essential nature of the source of all experience the source of all experience is awareness or consciousness so if you
[00:03:00] want to Define how Consciousness is defined Consciousness is that in which we have experience Consciousness is that in which there is experience Consciousness is also that in which we know that we have experience and Consciousness is constantly modifying itself as experience through what we call mind body and universe mind body and universe are actually Concepts they’re not fundamental reality mind body and universe are human Concepts and they are the interpretation of modifications of the source of all experience which is called Consciousness so when I say experience I mean we having an experience right now so what is the experience right now we’re having a visual experience and we having an auditory experience and that visual auditory experience is happening in
[00:04:00] Awareness although it seems to be happening on the computer but if you didn’t have any awareness then there would be no there would be no computer and there would be only squiggles and Wiggles on the computer colors and shapes the construction oh that shape is Peter damis that’s a construct in human consciousness so without human consciousness there is no experience now what is consciousness conscious I as I defined this is the source of all experience but it just doesn’t have a form it doesn’t have a form if it Consciousness had a form like my iPhone um then I would uh I would be able to see it but you can’t see Consciousness because it is formless and just like the tooth cannot bite itself the eyes cannot see themselves Consciousness can’t see itself it only sees itself as experience as the mind as the body as the universe
[00:05:02] so Consciousness being formless is infinite therefore everything it produces the Productions of Consciousness in time Consciousness is timeless the Productions of Consciousness in time are have their Source in Infinity so right now if you read the latest theories of physics um the find the current interpretation of uh the universe in science it’s Multiverse there are infinite universes everything that the that is produced in Consciousness has infinite reproductions of itself in every seed there is the promise of thousands of forests okay in every choice you make there are multiple millions of choices to be made okay every thought you have there are infinite thought thoughts you have access to everything that you have created there’s infinite
[00:06:00] creativity so the source of abundance is infinite formless irreducible fundamental and his Productions are infinite abundance affluence because that’s what Infinity does if you take Infinity out of infinity infinity remains I see that and it’s the infinite potential of all options you know when I when I think about abundance I think about the notion of ever incre inreasing opportunities for everyone on Earth and when I’m seeing this deepo and you’re a scientist a physician as well as uh someone who’s deep into uh uh the spiritual um learnings I see technology as a force that converts what used to be scarce into abundance like we used to go and kill whales to get whale oil to get light our nights and then coal and oil now now uh now so and soon fusion and
[00:07:01] that technology is converting scarcity into abundance and making it usable um how do you see the uh that play into uh into abundance in your mind I see the biggest promise of Technology as harnessing our Collective creativity and therefore producing abundance uh for a more peaceful just sustainable healthier and joyful Planet so te technology has what we call these deep learning algorithms and also can harness diversity of opinion and talent so if you look at what we call the emerging science of emergence as it’s called social scientists call it emergence they say that if you have maximum diversity of creative people so means scientists technologist
[00:08:00] storytellers but also maximum diversity of storytellers in the form of entertainment and song writers and storytellers but also maximum diversity of ethnicity of background of nationality of technology so maximum diversity maximum creative diversity shared Vision emotional and spiritual bonding together leveraging everyone’s strengths there’s no problem in the world that cannot be solved and I agree with that yeah so as a physician you know when I had difficult cases and I still do I mean I still have a license to practice in California and New York and Florida and Massachusetts I have to renew my practice I you know in medical situations there something called Grand rounds when you have difficult cases and you get everybody’s opinion when people have cancer for example they have a
[00:09:00] tumor board so when I look at those difficult cases I get all the doctors who are not specialists in the room because the Specialists know so much it precludes them from knowing everything outside their specialty I get Specialists I get storytellers I even get entertainers I get generalists said this is the problem how do we find the solution and we all incubate together and I’ve never lost a you know when we’ve used this technology for healing people getting maximum diversity of opinion and Science and Technology and story we’ve been able to treat almost any illness so I said why don’t we employ the same process to solve other problems there are nine steps to creativity Peter in first intended outcome second information gathering third information analysis fourth incubation which I do through meditation
[00:10:00] fifth Insight sixth inspiration seventh implementation eighth integration and Ninth Incarnation death of the old story and the birth of a new parad taking action you know it’s it’s funny I Define an expert as someone who can tell you exactly how it can’t be done that’s it and it’s it’s interesting right because the ability to H crowdsource is what you’re effectively saying solution uh and and bring that integrated Vision that could never exist before uh in the old world when it was just those into your village or those that were within a day’s walk is really enabled by this uh new sets of of technologies that are are are bringing us all together so I I definitely uh I definitely see that and uh you know one of the other definitions I use and I particularly want your your thoughts on this around abundance is that it’s a you know creating a world of
[00:11:00] abundance isn’t about a world of luxury but about a world of possibility what’s your thought on that yes possibilities see pure Consciousness is infinite possibilities it’s infinite creativity it’s infinite Evolution it’s infinitely self-organizing and self-regulating so once we get in touch with the source of creativity not only in you but me and we find that we have different creative Outlets you know you you are a musician and I’m a mathematician and so on so knows how to uh program computers and so and so knows how to tell a good story then we take a problem and we collectively harness our Collective creativity while staying with the collective Vision we have and staying connected with each other at an emotional and spiritual level no problem is unsolvable and that is a it’s a
[00:12:00] beautiful mindset to have and uh it’s challenging for a lot of people to have that mindset uh you know one of the things that I also feel very strongly about is that we’re living in a world that is bombarded by dystopian media all the time that 247 I call CNN the crisis News Network that is delivering every gunshot every murder every crooked politician into my living room over and over again actually I’ve stopped watching media how do you think about uh the world of of media and this dystopian uh you know flow of information well media capitalizes on instant instant what do you call it results and when you sacrifice sometimes Truth uh and sobriety and creativity for melodrama then you run risk so I I don’t see the news anymore it’s not news it’s
[00:13:01] called opinion wherever you go you get opinion you don’t get news in fact you don’t know what news is anymore it’s right-wing news leftwing news you know Al jazer what do you call it on and on Fox so you don’t get news I think this is a big problem right now that people are only watching what they want to watch because it reinforces their biases and their prejudices all you have to do is follow the money and you know wherever the money goes that’s where the media goes and so if you have this extreme right wi news then you have to have the extreme left in order to compete it’s a sad do you watch do you watch the news no I do not watch news I show up on it now and then this morning I did CNN on a program for how to prevent suicide in the world and how to use Ai and technology in fact to go
[00:14:02] beyond the conventional means of therapy so if you get an opportunity share that kind of thing on the news otherwise it’s all melodrama I want to turn to this uh because it’s really important how do people stay in a abundance mindset so I speak about having an abundance mindset which means the notion that tomorrow is going to bring more opportunities than today uh that we have a world of increasing capabilities where the cost of uh of resources is coming down the availability of resources coming down but we when we’re so bombarded and we’re driven back to that early scarcity thinking that we evolved with and that that uh that fear-based thinking how do you how do you recommend people uh Hack That and stay in a in a hopeful optimistic abundance mindset you know many years ago I had the opportunity and and since then I’ve had multiple opportunities to be close to
[00:15:03] his Holiness the the L Lama so in the year 2010 I think it was that a small group of us met him in Vancouver he was being given an honorary citizenship in Canada and a bunch of social scientists and uh others were invited to meet him I happen to be in that meeting I known him from before that and he said to the audience to the social scientist in his typically simple innocent joyful manner he said can you come up with a happiness formula do you have happiness formula and so we all went to work and you know there were some brilliant scientists in the group particularly one cognitive scientist and But ultimately through the group they came up with something called the happiness equation and I think that’s the perfect way to understand the right
[00:16:02] mindset for anything including abundance so here’s the happiness equation H is equal to S Plus C plus v so H stands for happiness is equal to s s is called set point in the brain so some people are seemingly seemingly wired for joy and opportunity and abundance and some people are wired seemingly for U what do you call scarcity thinking and also for looking at problems this thing called the set point in the brain determines 50% of your so-called happiness experience every day happy people are always looking for opportunities no matter what so whatever the situation is instead of saying this is a problem or an adversity they say this is an opportunity automatically they don’t even see the
[00:17:01] problem they see only the opportunity the unhappy people only see the problem always now how does this happen and it was very interesting to see the research on this if your parents and if your social environment in the first five years of your life um if your parents particularly and your immediate social environment your brothers and sisters if all you heard was criticism condemning complaining and playing the victim then your set point is already always looking for problems so you know your parents were criticizing condemning complaining or playing the victim you’re going to always see problems on the other hand if your parents a were always joyful number one B they were I call these the four a they would good listeners attention appreciation they
[00:18:02] noticed everyone’s gifts around them including yours as a child appreciation then affection they showered you with unconditional love and they accepted you just as you are not just as they would like you to be these four is attention affection appreciation and acceptance you will grow up to be a happy person now you say this is bad news because that means that whether I look at the world as opportunity or problem is determined for me already I’m screwed the fact is you are because this is your conditioned mind now there is research that shows that you can change this by what we call reflective inquiry reflective inquiry or cognitive therapy or something even more interested interesting called awareness-based cognitive therapy we can incorporate that right now in our meditation when we
[00:19:01] do it towards the end so you can change your set point the set point determines 50% of your experience of happiness or sadness every day beautiful S Plus c c is conditions of living primarily money now this was very interesting because when I wrote the book uh abundance which you just showed me actually it was inspired by a lyric from Bob Mar who said some people are so poor all they have is money okay and I said that’s a beautiful lyric you know some people are so poor all they have is money so what does the research show research shows that money actually adds 10% to 12% of your daily experience of happiness or sadness the if you win the lottery for example let’s say you’re making $20,000 or $100,000 a year and you suddenly win the lottery and you
[00:20:00] make 50 million uh will that make you happy the answer is ecstatically happy when you win the lottery six months you plateau and one year you’re back to your set point and then you’re unhappier because now you confuse selfworth with net worth you have a big big problem so there are two people who are extremely unhappy when it comes to money one is the extremely poor because they need the money to survive the other usually is the extremely rich because that becomes their identity their mood their sexuality their personality their behavior depends on what happens at 4:30 when the stock market closes that’s their identity so 10% adds to your happiness every day and I think the research shows that money makes you happier up to a point of I think it was $70,000 in the United States yeah that was old research that was old research such you know but if money it doesn’t
[00:21:01] matter you can make billions of dollars if money is used for a useful purpose if it is used to alleviate suffering if it is used to help you bond with your family friends take a vacation go on a joint Expedition or a learning experience money is very useful for that purpose but if money is used to only make more money you know I know all these people I was just some conference in Sweden everybody is networking to make more money to make more money to make more money to make more money they don’t even have time to enjoy it they they don’t have time for a vacation why because I’m making money okay so what’s the point 10% is money then there’s 40% left and that is called fulfillment and fulfillment comes from choices we make daily so the first choice we make daily is uh for personal
[00:22:00] pleasure buying shopping is by the way the number one cause of joy in our country um it’s the number one um thing that people do shopping to feel instant gratification and we call human beings in this country consumers what it’s an ugly word to describe a stardust being with so much creativity but anyway consumer it just tells you that this is how we seek to be happy consume consume consume can I can I guess that number two is eating yes number two is eating number three is sexuality and alcohol and drugs and on and on now these choices can make you happy initially but after a while they lose their charm you know difference between this and iPhone 12 is a camera but you know 90% of people who can afford it will be convinced that you need no so anyway so
[00:23:00] there is another kind of choice we make and that is meaning and purpose and a third kind of choice make somebody else happy the fastest way to be happy is to make somebody else happy or Find meaning and purpose in your existence now if you apply that that’s 40% so 50% 10% 40% and even the 10% don’t feel guilty about making money just make money in a way that brings you Joy and then spend it in a way that brings you Joy otherwise you’ll be stuck in a computer looking at the um stock market and worrying about your blood pressure uh that’s I love that happiness formulation going back to the 50% set point uh the reflective inquiry is that mostly done through meditation yes so there are many kinds of meditation so one is about inquiry IT addresses very deep questions we can do it right you
[00:24:00] know at the end of The Meditation and we can also incorporate the changing of the set point in that part but that is a very traditional way in eastern wisdom Traditions to reset your set point yes I just I just think anything that’s 50% of the calculation is something that we need to make sure there’s some ability to uh uh to implement a uh a useful self adjustment we can do that yeah and and we will uh so let me ask you another fundamental question um I believe that we have been seeing increasing abundance in the world over the last couple of 100 years we’ve seen increasing access to food energy water Health Care education um freedom on the planet uh I attribute that to the impact of technology versus uh better politicians
[00:25:01] or people becoming more intelligent uh do you agree that we’re seeing increasing abundance in the world and and what do you attribute that to I think we’re seeing increasing abundance in the world because we are collectively looking at uh at uh New Opportunities even in the times of adversity I mean you know look at what happened during the pandemic Zoom became such a big business okay and there are many other businesses actually emerged including you’ll see new vaccines for diseases other than um viral infections now that we have mRNA technology and even more sophisticated understanding of epigenetic switches and what turns them on and off and what we have new understanding of you know self-repair mechanisms um if this pandemic hadn’t happened you wouldn’t see the emergence of vaccines that are forthcoming for
[00:26:01] chronic illness for diabetes for Alzheimer’s on and on for various kinds you’re going to see more Gene editing and other things happening and you had the new technologies and the new insights into the metaverse into into nfts took off and the idea even though we’re going through what people call what this winter with crypto it’s all nonsense crypto blockchain is what going to emerge as a new economy and new creativity in technology deep Learning Systems new algorithms for just about mathematically mapping everything in the body and finding creative mathematical Solutions even for things like emotional problems we have developed during the last two year an emotional chatbot that prevents suicide that prevents um people from taking uh drugs that helps them with PTS SD and we’re finding that at least our teenage audience is more
[00:27:02] fascinated and more comfortable talking to an emotional AI than they are to a human being because they’re not judged now when they need a human being we’re getting crypto and blockchain to even cover that so this all happened because of the pandemic uh it wouldn’t have happened otherwise and I you know know now know that you will you know maybe one of these days you and I will see each other without a screen right here in 3D uh just by going on clicking my iPhone I and throwing it away you and I will be in the same room in 3D Holograms talking to each other this is all happening because there are creative people who are looking for opportunities while the rest are complaining condemning criticizing and playing the victim thank God for for solution oriented individuals and um you know there’s there’s a few few things that I pulled out of abundance it’s a beautiful
[00:28:01] book and uh I I’ve read it and I’ve listened to it on Audible and you which you you read the book on Audible so I want to commend it to everybody uh listening here let me pull out a few of the things that were uh uh hit me and and and speak to them so you referen a famous Axiom of yoga in the book that as you are so is the world I love that can you can you talk a little bit more about what that means and its implications so right now if you look at your body and you look around you wherever you are that’s a total reflection of your state of consciousness of your state of awareness and I have you know of course abundance goes through the seven levels of fulfillment which is based on Indian Eastern philosophical um metaphoric expression through the seven chakras as we call
[00:29:00] them in the East but the seven centers of happiness or creativity are actually an extension of Abraham massa’s hierarchy of needs so survival and safety achievement success Progressive realization of worthy go goals love belongingness um Insight creativity imagination higher Consciousness Transcendence if you have those seven levels and you’re aware of them and you’re also aware that in every moment the world is a projection of your state of awareness then you take total responsibility to create your life it’s total responsibility I am responsible for everything I see for the feelings I experience but also what I’m looking around me my perceptual activity is a reflection of my my state of consciousness and once I understand that
[00:30:02] then I don’t look for external Solutions I look for switching something internally that was off okay so you know in the 1970s there was a um um book called The Lazy Man’s Guide to Enlightenment I don’t know if you not read it okay it was a few pages like five pages but it was the most important bestseller of all time and in that book there’s one sentence it ISS what am I doing in the State of Consciousness where this is real you know you just ask yourself whatever is happening what’s my state of consciousness where this is real and then you switch internally so this what is real becomes the illusion and something else shows up which is seems more real you upgrade the illusion basically basically what that phrase says is we are already living in a VR
[00:31:02] virtual reality simulation which is what a lot of people are saying now philosophers and scientists and so once we shift internally then we upgrade the simulation that we are part of yeah well you know I’ve said I’ve said it often I do believe that we’re living in a simulation we are you know it’s a uh well I I arrive at the simulation hypothesis a little bit differently which is uh when you look at the rate at which technology is progressing and our ability to create you know highly detailed models of the world and the ability to uh to create AIS that might live in that in that uh that uh simulation of the world and the notion that our our planet you know if the universe is you know 13.8 billion in our planet came into existence four and a half billion years ago what would the technology of a civilization just a million years more advanced or 100,00
[00:32:00] years or a thousand years more advanced um it it seems inevitable that uh we’ll be creating uh high resolution simulations and that will deploy uh AI forms into that and the thing I ask myself is if I knew we were living in a simulation definitively would I do anything differently uh and the answer so far is no I would keep upgrading it I think I think we are already living in a simulation which is a human see when you said models of reality what we call reality is a model of reality you know the reality itself is according to some people force fields atoms molecules gravity and all that okay but even that is an experience before you call that a model okay what is reality without a model okay because what you’re looking at you know if I asked you what is this you’d say a phone I’d ask you this what is this you’d say a watch
[00:33:02] but that’s a human model for a color for a sensation for an experience okay what is the real reality is Sensations images feelings and thoughts and Consciousness the rest is a human story now once I recognize that this is my creation and even the Milky Way galaxy is a translation of Sensations images feelings and thoughts in my consciousness I’m the creator of the Milky Way galaxy too as you and I understand it through mathematical models okay so we are already living in a modeled reality that is humanly constructed you know when you say there’s a full moon that’s a human experience horseshoe crab at the bottom of the ocean has no experience of the full moon that you and I have it and yet on the full moon night it comes from the depths of the ocean to mate lay eggs and reproduce it’s a different moon for the horseshoe crab so what you and I
[00:34:01] experience is a human universe and it’s not even the real human Universe it’s a model of the human universe so now that we’ve created models and we have technology to create better models we keep upgrading it I love that you know just I was reflecting on this deac and and and and getting ready for a conversation here you know our Milky Way as you know the estimates 100 billion stars in our in Milky Way galaxy and a 100 years ago we only knew of this one Galaxy we thought we lived in this one Galaxy and then the estimate of the number of galaxies increased to a 100 billion galaxies with 100 billion stars and then it moved to two trillion galaxies and now the estimate is somewhere north of that maybe as high as 20 trillion galaxies with a 100 billion stars each uh that’s got to blow everyone’s mind and and furthermore 60
[00:35:00] billion habitable planets just in the Milky Way galaxy and even more perhaps a Multiverse of an infinite number of universes all constructed as models in the human Mind through mathematics which is a product of human consciousness so you might be seeing those things out there but the Computing is happening in human consciousness yeah it’s uh it is extraordinary and just when anyone thinks they have concerns or worried you’re just to stop and set back and contemplate the Infinity of it all uh it really is extraordinary what I find even more extraordinary is what we knew to be fact that is no longer and uh and which of the facts that we currently hold to be true or not the facts that we currently hold to be true preclude us from knowing the facts that we don’t
[00:36:00] know so that’s you go back to Socrates the only thing I know is I know nothing have my ticket to freedom and creativity I love that this episode is brought to you by levels one of the most important things that I do to try and maintain my Peak vitality and Longevity is to monitor my blood glucose more importantly the foods that I eat and how they Peak the glucose levels in my blood now glucose is the fuel that power your brain it’s really important High prolonged levels of glucose what’s called hypoglycemia leads to everything from heart disease to alzheimer’s to sexual dysfunction to diabetes and it’s not good the challenge is all of us are different uh all of us respond to different foods in different ways like for me if I eat bananas it spikes my blood glucose if I eat grapes it doesn’t if I eat bread by itself I get this prolonged spike in my blood glucose levels but but if I dip that bread in olive oil it blunts it and these are
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[00:38:02] talk about abundance initially in the book from the perspective of of money uh which a lot of people think about money is a tool of exchange and you you speak about the different Val you know the value that money has one of the interesting lines in the in abundance you have is money is a tool of Consciousness which I found fascinating can you speak to that a moment yeah so when the cognitive revolution occurred say 40,000 years ago there were eight different types of human beings U maybe more so we call ourselves Homo sapiens which is means the wise ones so we were humble enough to that name for ourselves but then there were all these other homo Erectors homo what do you call it chloro inses in there were eight different kinds of humans part of the human family just like a house cat
[00:39:02] and a lion and a cheetah and a tiger are all part of the feline family but they’re different they don’t mate with each other although there’s evidence that homo sapiens did mate with but nevertheless a species usually within a family retains mating rights to its own species and so there were eight species and they all had a Common Language and that language included three things danger calls mating calls and food calls now when you look at the language of other species same thing danger food and mating then this species you and I created a language for telling stories and this distinguished us from all other species and the first stories were gossip I’m told who’s sleeping with whom who can be trusted who can be trusted but the Kardashians were around even
[00:40:00] back then I know I mean it’s still the most common language in our culture is Gossip even the news has become gossip now so you know it’s the that hasn’t disappeared but then immediately another um language emerged and that was the language of money and as you know in the beginning there was no such thing it was oh you know you cut my hair and I’ll give you my chicken’s eggs tomorrows or you know I’ll fix your shoes became too inconvenient so now here’s a shell here’s a piece of a rock here’s a coin here’s a piece of paper here’s digital pieces now and here’s crypto now it’s the same thing one idea the story of how we exchange debt or what I owe you as a favor okay you did me a favor I’m going to do you a favor where does this start it starts in human consciousness because
[00:41:00] the thing that humans have called empathy and humans also have something they feel when I feel what you feel that’s empathy but then that brings another feeling compassion I want to alleviate your suffering and you want to alleviate mine that creates love and exchange so exchange look at the word exchange money is called exchange money is called currency what is the currency for for me to help you and you to help me now we don’t need those coins we can just do digital zeros and once and see something on a computer screen and feel good about it you know because now this thing on a computer screen can buy me a building or whatever so this one story what can I do for you what you can do for me created ultimately currencies Wall Street Empires colonialism unfortunately slavery exploitation and a lot of bad things but also good things money is a tool for
[00:42:02] Consciousness we should never forget that that’s why in wisdom tradition say the way you earn money the way you spend money is one of the ways to Enlightenment the way to earn money is to the progressive realization of worthy goals always keeping love and compassion and joy as the reason you’re doing it and ultimately save yourself and liberate yourself from the notion that money will buy you happiness my money will be a tool I agree I mean money is a form of energy energy to be used to do things with in the world which we created by the way which which we created yes it’s it’s a means for us to create impact uh and purpose at at distance and on scale yes um let me shift to the to the topic of purpose which is for me so important to help people uh both discover and fulfill
[00:43:03] their purpose uh deepo how would you define your purpose what I call a massively transformative purpose your purpose on this planet so again I’m a very traditional guy um Peter so I you know I’m brought up with the whole philosophical framework even though I migrated to the United States when I was 20 but you know formative years inluence so my first 25 years I was told by my parents is to educate myself as much as best I can same message for me yes second 25 years Fame and Fortune go make as much money as you possibly can with the progressive realization of worthy goals third 25 years giving back and now I enter my fourth and the fourth in my tradition is finally find out who you are because
[00:44:02] you’re confusing yourself with your uniform which is your body and mind and that’s not who you are in fact your uniform changes from moment to moment you were once wearing the uniform of a fertilized egg then you were an embryo then you were a zygote then you were a baby so don’t confuse yourself with your uniform who are you behind this uniform if you figure that out you’ll be liberated and you’ll be ready to take your next what you should say Voyage in the Multiverse this is literally how it was brought up before these terms so I right now say my purpose is to influence at least a billion people for a more peaceful just sustainable healthier and joyful world and then consciously choose the moment of my death for my next Journey that’s my purpose that’s that’s beautiful your advice for somebody who is who is coming
[00:45:01] conscious to the notion that they have a greater purpose on this planet and they’re seeking it on the surface I would say what is the one thing that you do that expresses your unique gifts and talents and how does it help somebody out there that’s your purpose so you know during the pandemic the woman that I knew um called me she got fired because she was in a technology startup I said did you enjoy that she said no I said but now that you’re fired how do you feel she said well I need the income but I didn’t enjoy it so I said what do you enjoy she said I’m very good Chef I said why don’t you go on the internet and say in New York I can provide meals you know at your parties um and your uh occasions so she did that but then she was so much in demand that she actually
[00:46:01] collected other people Greek Chef Italian chef Indian Chef Chinese Chef she has the most thriving business in New York now could pay five times over the salary she was getting from the Hightech company is she enjoying it she’s loving it that’s what she That’s What She Likes talk about Food flavors and now she’s expanded her business from on being an Indian Chef to you know she has all these other chefs that she’s working with together and they they’re creating a Marketplace in New York city so uh what you enjoy in the service of others that provides you uh a means of of living what you enjoy when you do there’s no time you lose track of time so it’s not a job anymore that’s is but we can do a reflection on that too because the ultimate purpose is beyond that ultimately deac you’re a physician um a a highly recognized
[00:47:02] physician I’m an MD by training but not by practice and the focus I’ve come to over the last eight years is a deep dive into the field of longevity uh Health span really more than longevity right the notion of how do we have the Aesthetics the cognition the mobility at 100 that we had at 60 and you’re doing very well in your fourth uh in your fourth quarter of uh of the first century uh how do you think I I I believe that you can Will yourself to life in the same way that you can Will yourself to death that a longevity mindset a desire for health is uh is incredibly important what are your thoughts about a longevity mindset I think you have to begin there certainly if you don’t have the intention then there is no possibility for longevity you have to begin with the right mindset but you also have to then look at what
[00:48:03] we are seeing as the data now you mentioned Health span and lifespan and you know I’m sure you’ve know David Sinclair and other people like that know yeah who are talking a lot of very good science about self-repair mechanisms in DNA and self-regulation of metabolism through what they call signal molecules and the science is very good and we’re going to see more of that you know with Romy and with metformin with other uh signal molecules what I think is not being addressed in the current science is again as usual it happens all the time is you know because we are so squeezed into a certain cultural mindset and a and a paradigm even in in science that is influenced by reductionism that we’re not looking at
[00:49:00] all the amazing literature spiritual literature and Consciousness literature uh on longevity so I love the work say David Sinkler and his colleagues are doing but in the East we say time is the consumer and we are its food and we are metabolizing time and metabolizing time is a process in Consciousness how do we change the metabolism of time and for that I’m incorporating the Eastern wisdom uh Traditions that say the metabolism of time can also be shifted to the metabolism of timelessness through Transcendence but there are other things like as you know as an MD you have to sleep uh emotions Stress Management vagal stimulation in fact nobody’s
[00:50:00] giving importance right now that I know I’m holding a book here on my hand called anchored it’s about the poly vagal Theory there are new technologies coming for vagal stimulation even you know what we call digical yes and for for for full body inflammation and autoimmune disease simulate the oric nerve here while you’re wearing an phone and you won’t even know it decreasing inflammation increasing self-regulation but the most important things so sleep veal stimulation Mind Body coordination breathing techniques breathing apps emotional resilience biological rhythms circadian rhythms but also seasonal rhythms then there are also gravitational rhythms lunar rhythms and ultimately Transcendence can change the whole landscape of the longevity experience and actually I’m going to be doing a retreat in November in we’re starting
[00:51:01] with the Middle East it’s easier because you know you don’t have to go through all these rules and regulations about what you can prescribe I can prescribe met Forman rise anywhere in the world and then you can also incorporate these other techniques particularly the experience of time you know when people say I don’t have time that’s the worst thing you can do for Longevity if you’re running out of time if your internal dialogue is I don’t have time your heart rate will speed up your HR will HRV will go down you’ll have jittery platelets high levels of adrenaline and cortisol inflammation and sooner or later you’ll drop dead and time will run out so how do you how do you manage time is even more important you know than anything else is time efficiency to the ultimate so you never
[00:52:00] lose the internal experience of being Timeless that is to me the key and then all these other things come together Mind Body coordination of them the worst the the best promise is poly vagal stimulation through technology also through breathing and through the creation of new apps because you can do anything with apps these days and then we’ll have a true longevity experience I don’t think according to my what I know you should live a minimum of 100 years and you should make disease optional and you should die by choice in meditation at least that’s my intention I I I love that you were saying I’m sorry no I’m 75 when I’m my biological age couldn’t be more than 50 right now you know my blood pressure is 110 over 70 my cholesterol is less than 60 my HDL is over 100 and you know nobody can believe
[00:53:01] that but I think if I can do it anyone else can do it too so let’s let’s break that down um I’m going to come back to the question in a moment of how old do you want to live and how old do you think you can live but I’ll come back to that so sleep for sure it’s fundamental uh to the human organism I speak about that extensively and and uh Matt Walker who we’ve both know well has written incredible books and work on this exercise is we are having a biological experience and exercise uh is key um uh do you do your exercise simply by uh walking or do do you do weights what other exercises do you do no after a lot you know I have I have practice movement all my life okay so all my life but after a lot lot of experimentation going to gyms going to waight going this that this is what I do
[00:54:02] now I do 10,000 minimum 10,000 steps very easy in New York you know I take the subway even during the pandemic or I walk um in New York City and if I’m going somewhere I stop like two stations before and walk I do my 10,000 the Rest by the way I’ve come to the conclusion that a good yoga practice or Tai Chi or chiong along with breathing is the best thing you can do for everything for muscle flexibility for what we call weight training I mean strengthening your muscles yoga is as good as anything taii or any martial arts chiong all these so I don’t do gym y exercise I do walking I do two hours of yoga and breathing every every day in the morning and then I do a little bit again in the evening as far as movement is concerned
[00:55:00] 10,000 steps yoga and breathing practices next up diet right diet here sugar is the poison I think everybody agrees it’s a neuroinflammatory it’s a glycosylating agent across the body um are you do you practice a vegan diet or what kind of a diet do you choose I have a diet that has maximum diversity of plant-based Foods okay agree and I’m not I’m not averse to um poultry or fish or even I don’t eat meat but you know if you do as long as it’s not coming from a factory as long as it’s not manufactured refined processed or has pure sugar in it and if you’re eating meat it’s coming from a farm and you’re eating sparingly a diet that has maximum diversity of plant-based Foods therefore and also it’s varied because you change your
[00:56:01] microbiome with it as you know 99% of the genetic information is microbial anyway only 1% is human we can upgrade the human but we can change the microbial and if if the genes are the software and your body is the print out and if you can change 99% of your genetic information and upgrade the 1% then you should be able to print out a new body every year and U I think that’s where the secret is it’s in the diet 80% of Serotonin comes from your gut anyway so I I say eat the seven colors of the rainbow every day and the six tastes of Life sweets are salt bitter pungent astringent and you’ve covered all the phytochemicals that you need to have a healthy body I love that the body is the print out that’s beautiful um a brief note from our sponsors let’s talk about sleep sleep has become one of my number one longevity priorities in life you’re getting eight deep uninterrupted hours
[00:57:02] of sleep is one of the most important things you can do to increase your vitality and energy and increase the health span that you have here on Earth you know when I was in medical school years ago I used to pride myself on how little sleep I could get you know used to be 5 5 and 1 half hours today I pride myself on how much sleep I can get and I shoot for 8 hours every single night now usually I’m great at going to sleep if I’m exhausted you know I’ve worked a hard day I’m right out but if I’m having difficulty and it occurs I’m having insomnia or my mind’s overactive and I need help to get that 8 hours I turned to a supplement product by life force called Peak rest now Peak rest has been formulated with an extraordinary scientific depth and background includes everything from long lasting melatonin to magnesium to L glycine to Rosemary extract just to name a few this product is about creating a sense of rest rest and really giving you the depth and length of sleep that you need for Recovery it’s a product I hope you’ll
[00:58:00] try it works for me and I’m sure it will work for you if you’re interested go to myli force.com back/ Peter uh to get a discount from life force on this product but you’ll also see a whole set of other longevity and vitality related supplements that I use we’ll talk about them some other time but in terms of sleep Peak rest is my go-to supplement hope you enjoy it go to myli force.com Peter for your discount so deepok you mentioned uh rap meas earlier uh I think you mentioned met foran both medications that um I’m taking at at uh I think the appropriate levels how how safe are they uh what are you taking what do you typically recommend with the medical supervision well in general with medical supervision I do Rec recommend metformin I take about 1,000 Mig a day of Metformin as do
[00:59:02] I and then I take Romy 6 milligrams of once a week for men and 4 milligrams once a week for women for that I usually do a metabolic profile medical examination I think they’re both with minimal risk um you know people have as much risk taking aspirin or um other things and you know uh so I I don’t think those medications are at all uh risky or if they are they’re very minimally so less than most I would say prescription drugs given those doses um but I also recommend nicotinamide nucleo mononucleotide n Mna and I do recommend cortin and fistin um and yeah those it looks like we’re on
[01:00:00] the same the same in the context of everything else is in the context of all the lifestyle shifts as well absolutely I know it’s uh I think the conversation around longevity around extraord about increasing Health span is is finally coming uh into into mainstream uh you mentioned something earlier choosing the moment consciously choosing the moment of your death and meditation which is uh you know uh not having it happen to you but having it happen uh for you uh so let me ask it slightly differently uh how long would you like to live do you have a sense of that yeah I have a sense but it’s not important I think once you say been there done that that’s the the right timing [Music] okay that’s the right timing now in our
[01:01:02] tradition the spiritual tradition which is vanta which I come from yes the minimum life you should be able to live is 100 you know that and I know that right now we have the limitation is so-called 120 the hylick limit and all of that but you know that kinds of changes I think though as you know less than 5% of gene mutations less than 5% of disease related gene mutations are fully penetrant in that they guarantee the disease if you have Baraka gene or something like that and for that we have new technologies including Gene editing and crisper on the horizon so that five% will be taken care of the remaining 95% are basically how you live your life yeah I was just with Eric verden at the buck and uh his numbers are very similar 7% is is genetic determination of your
[01:02:01] LIF span and 93% being your your lifestyle my genetic experts say even less than 5% for Rudy J yeah wow yeah I love Rudy he’s a a brilliant a brilliant a brilliant friend it’s I think it’s this idea that we can live a longer healthier life um uh flows well with abundance abundance of time abundance of opportunity coming back to the to the theme of of your book um you know the breakthroughs coming on are happening faster and faster we’re seeing the work that that Davidson Clair and George Church have done in epigenetic reprogramming we’re seeing in in mice models being able to reverse the biological age of multiple organ systems we’re seeing it in human skin tissue and PE tradition and uh uh you know if you speak to George and and David were not far from uh from you know in their case
[01:03:03] using these three yamanaka factors to re reduce reverse the epigenetic clock um in in the body um if we start bringing in that kind of uh gene therapy um uh do you think we can exceed the the 120e which has sort of been historically to the best of science’s knowledge the upper end of what we have yeah I do I do think so there’s no Gene for aging as you know and yet there’s something called apoptosis programed cellular death for the cells to rejuvenate themselves so it’s complex but and it is epigenetics and here if you really understand epigenetics you know even there people are going a little too reductionist because because epigenetics is every experience right now as you and I are speaking your frontal cortex is
[01:04:01] firing here because we’re using this right now to communicate intellectually and that requires gene activity that requires you know all these markers aculation meth methylation de aculation to constantly going on and off so there is no experience no experience including an intellectual conversation but particularly an emotional experience that does not either enhance homeostasis or disrupt homeostasis so if we can maintain homeostasis then that is the key and homeostasis is is best regulated through Joy if Joy is not your experience right now then homeostasis is disrupted Joy is not happiness but by the way it’s much more fundamental happiness is always for a reason Joy is for no reason like look at a little baby
[01:05:01] it’s joyful It’s Curious it’s full of mystery it’s full of awe it’s full of wonder and it’s full of joy unless it’s wet or it’s hungry which you correct that and it’s back to its Baseline status so that kind of Joy which is so fundamental which comes from our spirit is the ultimate homeostasis and that’s what the goal should be if Joy is not the measure of well beinging then you have failed doesn’t matter what else is happening sure I mean living a a life without Joy without happiness into your multiple hundreds of years is uh is not something any of us I remember you and I were both at the Vatican uh uh a few years back during a longevity uh conference and I a room filled with uh with scientists and I was up giving my presentation on the morality of immortality or put differently the immorality of mortality um and I asked
[01:06:02] the question of the audience how many of you here would like to live past 120 years old and about a third of them raised their hand and I was kind of shocked uh and of course it’s because our our internal vision of what 120 plus looks like is decrepit old drooling and without any Joy yeah now I think about the the ideological the sort of evolutionary origin of our current lifespan um you know as as early hominids our mission was to pass on our genes to perpetuate the species um and back before food was abundant the last thing you wanted to do was take food out of your grandchildren’s mouths and of course we now live in a world and I’ve heard you speak to this where it’s a massive amount of abundance to the point we now have uh a pandemic of obesity versus a
[01:07:00] pandemic of of hunger um and we have culture and we have recorded science and uh I guess the the question is you know uh what should be the ultimate lifespan of a human being uh your answer a moment ago was until uh the experience of life is boring or I’ve done that as as long as you can contribute you in again in my culture it’s possible to have the wisdom of experience and the biology of Youth and if you have that combination then you are serving a purpose for improving the quality of life to have the wisdom of experience and the biology of Youth would be a great combination that is that is uh that is yeah Deepak you’ve had we’ve had the pleasure of having you at our ex prize visioneering events in the past and and we’ve launched now some $300
[01:08:00] million in prizes and uh we’re attacking the problems that we see that should be solved that haven’t been solved um um working on a age reversal ex prise right now which I’m excited about reverse the biological age of human beings by 20 years or more um working with David and and David Sinclair and George Church I’m curious I uh question I ask all my guests if you had could you know snap your fingers and have any X prise created uh fully funded uh we would get entrepreneurs scientists technologists theologians anyone around the planet working on this what is a problem that you would love to have launched as an ex prise do you have anything that uh comes to mind I’ve thought about this Peter and I think you know I think all problems are interrelated and right now the biggest problems in the world are
[01:09:00] war and conflict number one number two an unsustainable Planet number three social and economic Injustice number four health and number five the absence of Joy so about 30 years ago I thought to myself is there one solution for a more peaceful just sustainable healthier and joyful world one solution okay i’ love peaceful number one sustainable number two just number three Health number four and joy number five not in that order they’re all equally important and they’re all interrelated and the more I thought about it the key is in fact these are windows the longevity experiment the reversal these are windows to see the
[01:10:01] interrelatedness of these things so when the pandemic occurred and we were in our cages climate was refering reversing itself there were fish in Venice in the dead canals dead Waters people were breathing in Bangalore you could see the mountains Himalayas from 500 miles away and nature was saying hey humans when you come back be a little more respectful otherwise we’ll send you back into your cages so I think these pandemics these mutations the health problems the mass migrations because of Social and economic Injustice and the war and terrorism are entirely one problem entirely one problem and the key is resurrecting life and the resurrection of life is both for this biosphere which we call the body and that biosphere which we call the world but they’re the
[01:11:00] same biosphere I mean what this goldilock zone is looking at what the biosphere that might sustain life and the question again amongst evolutionary biologists what came first you know did the biosphere came first did Life come second or did Life come first and the biosphere adjusted it’s a wrong argument there are they are the same thing sustainability biosphere health and self-repair and homeostasis are one thing and the key is the genetic information of this planet so I’m not talking about the human microbiome if I go under the soil in the Amazon or anywhere in a rainforest one teaspoon of soil under that soil soil has more genetic biodiversity than the entire surface of the planet so there are species there that are extinct you know theoretically I could have done
[01:12:01] I have what do you call it dinosaurs coming back if I want to resurrect the life I have Jurassic Park right under the soil in one teaspoon of soil and then look at Marine soil marine life you know the ecosystem of marine life and look at what’s happening in coastal um Coastal Marshland and so on it’s all connected so if I were to choose one project I would say resurrect the planetary microbiome Resurrect The Planet Tre microbiome combine agriculture with forestry preserve the marshlands and you know other than they do many other things buffer against storms Etc but if we do lose the genetic information that gave life to the biodiversity this planet we are doomed for extinction so is that is is that first and foremost catalog it and being
[01:13:00] able to uh have it in a seed bank if you so to speak or a genomics bank that could be brought back that is essential absolutely I know Rob Knight has done some of that in University of California San Diego but there should be a global project Global project to seed and catalog and preserve the genetic information on our planet before it disappears yeah I heard a uh a figure recently that there is 10 to the 31 bytes of of genetic information which is some massive number of exobytes of genetic information you don’t realize uh we see such a limited slice of the segment uh there’s a company um uh that I’m an investor and adviser in uh called colossal that is bringing back uh extinct species The Woolly Mammoth that just uh announced today the Tasmanian tiger and so forth but that’s a drop in
[01:14:02] the in the bucket still compared to what we’re talking about is so important if this was globally a collaborative project the seeding and cataloging the rest will happen you know humans are very intelligent and they’ll develop Technologies to resurrect the ecosystems of our existence I recently participated in something called the Panthers path in Florida restoring the Panthers path across Florida but what happened as they restored the Panthers path every other species came back you know that’s how it is it’s all ecosystem self-regulate through biological genetic information exchange so we’re never going to have more biodiversity than we have right now um uh and so being able to capture that as a set as a baseline point and then
[01:15:01] grow from there yes and use Ai and use deep learning to actually not only catalog it but also see the interconnectivity of these ecological systems for maintaining life on this planet and that is the most important thing otherwise we sleepwalking to Extinction I love that not the sleepwalking to Extinction but I love the idea of your X prize thank you deac I appreciate that I want to bring us back to close uh to the 50% uh that we can control of our happiness uh we’ll talk some other time about a happiness X prize which I have uh formulated and and I’m excited about but the formulation of uh of Happiness 50% being uh your set point that came from your your youth your parents those you grew up with um the ability to control that you said
[01:16:01] there is reflective inquiry there that can help uh would you close us out with a meditation perhaps uh to uh to see abundance in the world and to increase that uh that set point okay so let’s do it um to all our friends who are listening or watching this please sit quietly on a chair be comfortable uncross your legs keep your feet on your on the ground firmly planted and um keep your hands open and close your eyes and we’ll start with just a little breit of breath observation observe your
[01:17:00] like every sensation breath arises is experienced and then it goes back to where it arose from just observing the breath gives us insight into the nature of impermanence if you hold on to your breath you will s suffocate so let go and flow now bring your awareness to your heart and mentally ask yourself who am I even better who is it that wants to know what is it that wants to know who am I am I the changing body or am I the awareness in which the body is a
[01:18:02] changing experience am I the changing mind or am I the awareness in which the mind is a changing experience who am I don’t try to answer the question just ask the question and let it go now switch to a second question what do I want as you ask this question be aware of any Sensations any images any feelings any thoughts that spontaneously come to you don’t look for answers what do I
[01:19:00] want and be aware of any sensation any image any feeling any thought notice it and let it go what do I want third question what is my purpose again just ask the question what is my purpose allowing any sensation any image any feeling any thought to spontaneously arise final question what am I grateful for this question will open the door to abundance once again not looking for an
[01:20:00] answer just asking the question what am I grateful for allowing any sensation any image any feeling any thought to come to you what am I grateful for and now let go of this inquiry and uhu M repeat your name to yourself I’m Peter I’m Deepak I’m Emily even as you repeat your name
[01:21:02] remind yourself that’s your name that’s not who you are so now let the name be dropped instead of saying I’m Peter say I am and now we introduce what we call intention in this quiet of awareness just mentally repeat these words to yourself affluence unboundedness abundance
[01:22:01] Infinity immortality affluence unboundedness abundance Infinity immortality and now just rest in awareness rest in being awareness is a fundamental state of infinite possibilities so rest in that field of infinite possibilities and if you feel ready now you can slowly open your thank you deac that was beautiful everyone this is Peter again before you take off want to take a moment to just invite you to subscribe to my weekly
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