what gives people energy at any age besides physical energy the psychological spiritual emotional energy that drives someone to do something unique is to find something they care about more than themselves there’s only so much you will do for yourself because it doesn’t it’s not that hard to get yourself to the point where you’re comfortable and you’re okay and you’re fed well and you’re in the world we live in today even if you want to live off somebody else it’s possible to do that and a massive transformative purpose is what you’re telling the world it’s like this is who I am this is what I’m going to do this is the dent I’m going to make in the universe welcome to mindsets in moonshot today I’m excited to be speaking with one of my dearest friends on the planet the incredible entrepreneur New York Times best-selling author of over a dozen books a philanthropist a coach of millions worldwide the incredible Tony Robbins uh Tony has a 40 plus year career in creating breakthroughs and transforming lives he’s coached and consulted with some of the top athletes
[00:01:00] entertainers thousands of top CEOs and four US presidents he’s a Founder partner investor in over a thousand priv held companies and as is fitting to the spirit of this podcast Tony has an incredible moonshot to provide over 1 billion meals to needy individuals by 2025 and it’s probably worth noting uh something else important Tony’s and you Dad Tony good to see you buddy good to see you Peter that’s quite an introduction yeah well you know deservingly so and uh and I I love our friendship and our partnership you know it’s appropriate we’re doing this on Labor Day and uh of course of course of course and I work my butt off 247 and you’re the only person I know who works 287 I you do and I’m I am curious uh you know having a New Daughter increasing the scope of the family um you know one thing we talked about in the past was I asked you on stage we were having a
[00:02:01] conversation I said tell me about your thinking on work life balance and you said no such thing it’s work life integration do you remember that yeah of course you you got to think about it as you know labor what is labor you know for me labor is an expression of love other than my absolute direct love with no other filters uh my labor is the greatest love that I can give somebody it’s my mind it’s my emotion it’s my spirit and soul as it is with you and I think so that’s why it’s fulfilling and when I say you know I remember interviewing Mary calan Erdos when I was doing money Master the game you know she manages you know businesses of over2 trillion dollars in business with a t 2.5 trillion I think it is now and I asked her about this and she said you know I used to come to the office with my dad who was a financial planner and sit behind his desk and I was so part of his life and she said You know here now I run2 and half trillion dollars and she said but the same time I’m you know JP Morgan the head of this company I do the same thing with my daughter I have this great time with her and I I really look
[00:03:01] at as you know it’s an integration it’s not a balance I mean think about balance think imagine a teeter tot or a seesaw and you and I are going to play the game of life as balance okay once we get it balanced how long before one of us is like bored enough we want to do something jerk this thing around to feel alive right so but for me it’s been a really interesting time I don’t have a thousand companies I have 110 companies but we are doing seven billion dollars in business across all these different Industries and I have thousands of employees and I I love the challenge of all that and it’s certainly been different now cuz I have five kids and five grandkids but you know my oldest daughter is 48 my youngest is 17 months it’s it’s a different world but I love that too it’s it’s it’s caused me to have more gears you know to find parts of myself that I’ve got to step in and and be even more present in a different way it’s been the most exciting and fulfilling thing in my life so far here I love all my kids all my Environ just a stage of life doing it is really special I mean a lot of entrepreneurs don’t realize you know it
[00:04:00] doing anything big and bold in life is hard and it’s going to take a lot out of you and it’s going to consume everything you’ve got especially like you said it’s it’s full of of of love and passion and it’s your highest expression in the world but how how do you how do you deal with you know sort of all the demands it’s like at the end of the day uh you know you’ve got a 17mon old you’ve got a family you’ve got you know and you’re on an airplane how many days a year well a lot differ I’m going to tell you what the part of why I have a daughter right now is because of Co because we were we wanted to do this for about 10 years but you know most of my life I’ve been on the road continuously so of all these homes all over the world but rarely at any of them uh you know an average city an average year I’d have 115 cities I do most these are multi-day seminars anyway to give you a sense as you know um I’d go to 14 to 16 countries some of them two or three times like Australia and so literally I would was home very little I
[00:05:00] spent more time in the airplane than anywhere else uh but thanks to co and it was not a thanks initially I mean when I started getting the phone call and you know we’re supposed to do this big event in San Francisco and they call up to the governor says you can put 10 people here like what 10 people you know we got a stadium for 15,000 people but then you know the next thing I knew it was all over the world it was London it was Australia the whole world just like dominoes and so I was like my first approach is we’re going to Vegas they’ll never shut down Vegas they shut down a Vegas a week before we went to the event oh let’s go to Dallas let’s go to Texas I know the governor he’s never going to shut that thing down you know they kept open Costco and they shut down the churches there and it was just wild so I saw people doing webinars and I was like oh man I’m used to a stadium the energy I can’t do this so I built this studio and we have 50 foot high ceilings and 20 foot high LED screens 67 highest resolution 50t it’s amazing it’s unbelievable I can now see people in their home and now my seminars are 25,000 people we’ve done four seminars with over 800,000 homes there’s over a
[00:06:00] million people in each one I never dreamed of having that impact so because of that I can come home and be with my daughter I probably wouldn’t have done it um so the technology has really shifted things for me do you think you would not have had her if you didn’t we we we kept putting it off and saying we just can’t do it with the lifestyle we have and yet I was so addicted to the lifestyle of helping people all over the Earth and it’s my mission it’s it’s what I’m made for it’s not a mission statement it’s how I live um but now I’m able to reach even more people hey thanks for listening to moonshots and mindsets I want to take a second to tell you about a company that I love it’s called levels and it helps me be responsible for the food that I eat what I bring into my body see we were never designed as humans to eat as much sugar as we do and sugar is not good for your brain or your heart or your body in general levels helps me monitor the impact the foods that I eat by monitoring my blood sugar for example I learned that if I dip my bread in olive oil it blunts my GL glycemic response
[00:07:00] which is good for my health if you’re interested learn more by going to levels. Linker levels will give you an extra 2 months of membership it’s something that is critical for the future of your longevity all right let’s get back to the conversation in the episode so that’s one of the conversations I really want to get into CU my my mission as you know is inspiring guiding entrepreneurs to go bigger right and and I think entrepreneurs are the means by which we make the world a better place entrepreneurs are individuals who find and solve problems and the more of them finding and solving problems and the challenge is it’s not an easy lifestyle I mean you’ve had nothing but you know it’s it’s hard it’s 24/7 it’s picking yourself off the ground and and going um I I am curious your uh your advice for that entrepreneur who’s having uh that debate and that challenge between private life and and uh you know having a family or you know what I say is if when you’re starting a company you’re
[00:08:00] going to spend more time with your co-founders than you are with your wife or your husband or your kids a lot of time how do you deal with that well in my case it it’s relatively easy because my wife is the executive producer of Our Lives Sage is pretty extraordinary but we traveled everywhere together we did everything together around the clock and it just made us deeper and richer because as much as we love each other our relationship was also based on a common mission of serving Humanity as much as human possible not making that statement and and sing it to the world but the way we lived our life that was most fulfilling and still is so I don’t you know my sons have been involved my daughters have been involved they’ve all been involved in the business throughout my life and that’s where that work life integration happens but I also think not everybody’s made to be an entrepreneur and I don’t think I think today everybody thinks that’s what they want to be but you know we all have different we’re talking about Labor Day we all have three different kind of gifts of Labor that we could give and we can develop all these skills but there’s a nature in most people and the first level is that skilled producer like that
[00:09:00] person who’s like an artist I don’t mean an artist like just painting you know some people are artists with software some people are artists in fashion some people are artist in negotiation like they’re the best in the world at what they do they’re extraordinary and artists do things because they want to see the impact they want to feel it they want they would give up the money for the impact in most cases you know some people are more manager leaders these are people that love they don’t love the individual building the product or the service they love managing the process the people in the processes and they love that systematic approach to things and then there’s some people that are we’re all entrepreneurial if you’re in business but a true entrepreneur is in it truly for the risk you know I remember I was with Steve W and he invited me to come to maau to see his new hotel he was just building and you know it’s the most extraordinary $2.7 billion doll hotel and I got to be there before the doors open and he’s showing me everything and you know explaining to me that there the average bet is five times larger than Vegas and how he has these sweets he showed me where they literally don’t have to deal with anyone
[00:10:01] else the entire Suite is like a mini you know casino and but he I AC you can you can gamble in your sleep yeah exactly all the way around the clock you have to deal with a Riff Raff you know type of thing right and so I said well you know in every business there’s an 8020 rule I said you know what’s the 20% of your business that produces 80% of your profit he goes Tony it’s more extreme than 820 in my business he goes there’s 50,000 people that produce 80% of my profit these are the big whales and he said so I’ve hired people who all they do is take care of them and he goes they all play backck because back is a game where the odds are really close the the it’s the closest odds you have to any other game to being close to being with the house but the house still has a slight Advantage he goes but Tony what they don’t understand is the more they play the more those odds multiply in my favor and he goes so we have people that make 3 million 4 million doll in a weekend but they could also lose four five or 10 million he goes I have people all they do is live for this so you know why am I telling of the story cuz to give you an
[00:11:00] idea I remember I said well let’s watch after everybody open the doors you’re seeing people mesmerized by the building and everything else and we go up and he says let me show you the high rollers table and I watched the guy no lie in probably 13 14 minutes lose 10 million doll right in front of me and my guts torn up and I’m not even the owner of the casino I could never own a casino I’d have to get guy could right Steve just smiling from ear to ear and all a sudden the guy turns around and sees us standing there and goes oh my God oh my God can a picture and you know I hear this every day of my life so I said sure and he hands me the camera and he goes no not you with Mr wi Steve I believe I went to your Vegas Place everything’s so different you’re unbel God lost $10 million and he’s hugging this guy Steve win right so what I really want people to get is it doesn’t matter what you do but a real that’s an entrepreneur somebody who lose it all step back up and do it again Ted Turner’s done it anybody’s done it you are not necessarily made for entrepreneurship just because you have
[00:12:00] an interest in it just because you have a passion I think you need passion you need to know where’s the marketplace you’re going to serve that has that impact and then you got to look at competency you got to say what competencies do I have what skills do I have so for me I’m an artist at my core I will be on stage for 12 or 13 or 14 hours I don’t have to work another day of my life why am I here it’s the Fulfillment of seeing the impact in these people’s lives now I became an entrepreneur you know I got all these companies but part of how I did that was I got other people that were entrepreneurial in it cuz I would overspend overd deliver over everything and they’d say well does the customer care and we develop great Partnerships in that so over the years I developed those skills but under stress and under excitement you go to your nature so the question I have for you is who are you are you more of an artist that like you’re in it for the impact alone you’re going to have to bring you might ask yourself who am I and who do I need you might have to bring an entrepreneur in to scale that business with you who can take those kinds of risk or you might need to get a manager leader if you’re an artist if you’re a manager leader
[00:13:00] you’re looking for great entrepreneurs to join and you’re looking for artists who make that company work so I think it’s really important not just to say I have this giant goal but to be honest with yourself about your nature because in the end if you have these great goals and you’re not fulfilled and what did you do it all for it was just for you know positioning which was ridiculous and there are very few individuals who do anything big and bold on their own it’s building a team and it’s knowing what you can do and so forth let’s drill in on the next question which is and I’m really uh I feel a lot of energy around this which is a lot of entrepreneurs are doing things that are not impactful enough right that are I I the joke I make is they’re building another photo sharing app and it’s like they’re you know the world’s biggest problems the world’s biggest business opportunities you know when I say that people get it but how do you get folks to be willing to take the risk to go and do something that actually can make a dent in the universe if you’re the entrepreneur in this equation if you’re the individual who uh who has those
[00:14:02] skills uh you built something but how do we encourage them to go bigger well I think you don’t have to encourage an entrepreneur to go bigger that’s that’s the nature of entrepreneur I mean but it’s not just about re it’s not just about making money I understand you’re talking about impact you and I are completely aligned in this area as you well know and I I think your idea constantly of you know billion you know the biggest problems are the billion dollar Solutions right this is the opportunity that’s there I just don’t think that’s everybody I think encouraging here’s the difference Peter I used to to think everybody should have their you know change the world and so forth I don’t think that anymore I have a different mindset I I’m looking for who you are and let’s help you get what you really want and there are people that are unbelievably driven who will take giant risks who will not sleep Elon Musk who will be there on the floor and will go and change the world that is not everybody and I don’t think everybody should be encouraged to do that because all they’ll be is disappointed you know right now as you’re listen listen in this podcast whether you’re one of those
[00:15:00] people or not there’s nothing you and I are going to say that’s going to make a difference for that kind of person other than to encourage people is not to say why not do something that’ll be meaningful and size and scope and the economics right the meaningfulness is what the end’s going to matter because the money goes away there’s only so many islands homes trains planes automobiles you know things you can do it all comes down what what is your life meaning what is it what have you given what have you grown what have you experienced what have you delivered and so I think I think we can call of that but I think you do the best job of it by showing what’s possible Peter you do so many great examples of showing how technology can really solve a problem for a billion peoples and make you a billion dollars or more and I think you’re probably the best at it and I don’t say that just to compliment you on your own podcast I think you are but I have a slightly different exposure which is those people are going to do it I can help tweak it with them I can sit down with them I can show them another opportunity I can get them hungry for more meaning cuz after a while when they made enough money with widgets it’s pretty damn B I call it success to significance right how do you
[00:16:01] take the success you’ve had whether it’s capital or resources relationships whatever it is and put into service of a significant impact so let’s talk to those people right now let’s talk to the people who you are entrepreneurs who are wanting to do something and you know I was there you I was finishing Medical School my mom and my dad are like Peter take over my dad’s practice go become a physician when are you’re going to start do your internship and residency no that’s not what I want to do I want go and build this right and that was space kind of crazy um but the individuals who are facing uh their parents their husbands or wives or loved ones uh who are saying that’s way too risky um uh you know why aren’t you becoming a doctor a lawyer an engineer or joining that you know big blue how do you what’s your advice for them yeah my advice is pretty simple on this one is like if you have enough passion you’re not going to let anything stop you you need to fan that passion you get around where it’s better you got to get around people that
[00:17:00] have delivered on their passions and let that rub off on you even when people say I’m trying to find my purpose get around where it’s better and let something hit you and because you know role models make it real you can have a dream or a vision I mean again Peter I’m not just throwing compliments your way you know how much I love you sincerely but what you’ve done with xprize is the perfect example of that because you shown it can happen again and again and again it’s not a one-time thing we can take a vision we can Inspire enough people to compete and we can trans form an entire industry whether it’s space or whether it’s you know solving hunger or whatever the case may be so I think for those individuals the the peace for them to do is constantly fan the flames you have to see feel experience what it is you really want and you know I think for some people finding that purpose or that drive sometimes is to do the opposite it’s like when people say to me you know I don’t really know what I want to do for a living I so great describe the job from Hell tell me who you write down who you wouldn’t want to work with what you wouldn’t want to do for a living the environment you never want to do it and
[00:18:01] you cannot believe the amount of energy that comes out when people start writing all the they hate and when the energy is out and they’ve written all that they don’t want then I say okay write the opposite and you have the job from heaven or the business from heaven or the relationship you don’t want right when people are so frustrated tell me everything you don’t want right okay now there’s energy going because the only thing that’s going to get you to execute is energy and if you sit in your head there’s low energy in your head if you’re sitting talking to other people people about what’s possible they’ll have the best of intent but they just don’t want you to be disappointed but disappointment is part of Entrepreneurship disappointment is part of life disappointment either drives you or destroys you you got to pick and if you immerse yourself over and over again in what it is you want you’ll start to have pull instead of push I mean those are two kindes of motivation right you and I both know that that we gravitate towards those who are celebrated in society right we want to be that NBA All-Star we want to be that you know it was the uh you know the the Wall Street dream when I was in in uh in high school
[00:19:02] and college all my smartest friends went to Wall Street to become investment bankers like or lawyers and I was like pulling my hair out it’s like such a for me it was an empty and meaningless job it was moving money around it was it was basically just making money on the on the heels of folks who are changing the world and and ultimately it’s how do we create the ability to celebrate individuals who are those change makers who are those entrepreneurs that are you know it is Elon it is Mark Ben off it is other individuals that you and I both know so it’s it’s I want to like the fire for folks to say you can make a difference in the world you can go work on something bigger versus just falling into the normal pattern any thoughts there well again I think I think it’s I have a slightly different point of view when I was growing up and you know developing myself and starting to succeed on decent scale I had these really specific goals that I was trying to Target I knew precise ly where it was on the mountain and then as the years
[00:20:01] went by I began to have a different approach my Approach was let me figure out the direction I’m heading what I really believe is there without having to lock into that one individual meeting person economic situation whatever and when I get to the mountain I’ll climb over it I’ll dig under it I’ll go around it I’ll enjoy it whatever the case may be and I think that today people are so obsessed with something way out there that for some people it’s too soon I mean let’s talk about what it really takes to make a business go every single person who’s a true entrepreneur has to go through what we call the threshold of control multiple times the threshold of control is like if you if the people watching or listening of a snowboard or ski and let’s say you’re intermediate at best or you’re a beginner and one day you’re on a new mountain and you miss the wrong turn off and you’re on the green slope or the blue slope and there’s a double black diamond right down below you look down you go I’m going to die there’s no way I can this thing I’m going to die on this thing so what do you do you got two choices one
[00:21:01] choice is you realize you’re beyond the threshold of your control and so what you do is put your ass against the mountain and you hang on a claw for dear life so you don’t fall down that cliff and you work your butt down there slowly to try to survive the other all right I have got to turn I’ve never done this before and you literally Focus only on the next turn the next turn the next turn the next turn you don’t focus on getting down to the bottom of the mountain it’s too much you focus until you do those turns and by the time you’re done the Double Black Diamond is your little you know you own it it doesn’t own you right it’s a completely different experience so in my business is in yours I can remember coming home from a business meeting or an event I done and there were 11 employees I had at the time in this tiny little office and they all met me at the airport as I landed I thought wow this is so cool with me well they’re all here to tell me they love me but we’re going to quit because La running the show was just the terrible treatment of people and she was saying the company’s going to go bankrupt and she was paying herself and somebody else and not paying
[00:22:00] other people and I came home and found out I fired the lady and found out that she had spent all the money gave it to six months in advance to herself and another person and we had no cash flow I needed $50,000 to keep the doors open now $50,000 then would be like 10 billion plus the day for me it be a much much much larger number I could imagine beyond my threshold of control right and so I remember I was trying to I tried one thing and another and somebody offered me an opportunity with this network marketing thing and it was like oh my God this is not what I’m about my integrity and then finally I had this idea I’m going to call this guy who was a a gentleman who was a a stunt stunt man in movies and he only gotten a couple deals and I worked with him turned him around and got his psychology straight and he had like 10 straight big movies I think big movies made a ton of money so I called him and I said look I need 50 Grand I don’t know how I’m going to pay it back but you know I absolutely will and sure enough he loow me the money and by the way about 10 years ago obviously paying the back way back then I tracked him down get another 50 Grand just remembering how incredible it was you know at that stage but it was one of those thresholds then I had one years
[00:23:01] later where you know somebody sued me I didn’t do anything wrong but you can go through a lawsuit and cost you $23 million and like $3 million then was more money than I could dream of and then I had a business partner years later that I was Partners in a company that had 1.6 billion in iida and and there was an offshoot of that company going through all the details and the partner was supposedly a billionaire and he had no money and two of my other partners got in trouble so I’d signed this deal joint and several and there’s $150 million in debt and so I need I had to come up with $150 million that was inconvenient they didn’t have $150 million but I figured it out that’s how I got to being in a position now where you know I could do s billion in business because you go through those thresholds so I think it’s wonderful to have that giant goal but I think most entrepreneurs still have to crack their teeth on whatever is the threshold in front of them next and each time you do one you become more confident you become stronger it’s like the food you know originally I was you know trying to figure out how I could feed two families you know I was just just just beginning my family Fed was fed when I was 11
[00:24:00] years old at Thanksgiving I never forgot it I want to feed others so I fed two families then it was four and then it was eight and then I got my little small company involved and then I eventually got to two million people a year and then about eight years ago I was like writing this book on finance and I’m interviewing these billionaires and I’m watching Congress wipe out food stamps it’s called the snap program now so much so that I think it was 6 and a half billion it took so that every family that needed food would have to give up one weeks worth of food every month unless you and I stepped in I was like well how many people have fed in my lifetime I found it was 42 million people I didn’t even know the number I said what if I fed 50 million people in a year what if I fed you know a 100 million people in a year what if I fed 100 million people year for 10 years since a billion people well that was seven and a half years ago I’m coming up eight years I’m two years there schedule we’re 940 million meals right now and so now I’m working on a 100 billion meal challenge I’m finding 100 other people I know you’re going to be at the I’m going to be your dinner and I’m I’m looking to find I’ve already I’ve already got four people putting up a billion meals so we already 5 billion meals more than I’ve
[00:25:00] done in 10 years all right we’re going we’re going to take this conversation someplace else that I have a lot of energy around my friend which is which is there you know there’s something like 2700 billionaires on the planet right now yeah uh it’s it’s amazing and the you know the top 100 uh have more money than than most Nations on the planet and so you and I know a lot of ultra high Network individuals a lot of billionaires and one of my biggest challenges is what the you know what the hell are they doing with their Capital you know it’s you know the notion of everybody sitting on their money uh to make more money versus using that to make a dent in the universe to you know to use Steve Jobs’s quote and it really pisses me off I mean I want to go you know take out a full page New York Times ad and say these people are solving the world’s problems these people are building you know buying bigger yachts and it’s so I would love to explore how do you think this is
[00:26:00] going on what is it that you know there are very few people Mark benof you and I know he’s beautiful man he’s he’s backed uh you know so much research in healthtech and biotech and and changed the world um and then there’s folks like Elon Musk who’s bet it over and over and over again Martin rothblat another dear friend who’s done extraordinary work just taking moonshot after moonshot and then there’s the tops of the forb the top of the Forbes list and I’ve had this conversation with Steve and Kip Forbes and the family there I said you’ve gamified wealth retention it’s like you don’t want to drop from number seven to number 70 by giving away that it’s like it it really so advise me here how do we help incentivize those individuals to really uh use not just their Capital but their resources their intelligence their relationships to go make a bigger dent on the planet what are they going to do with at the end of the day well you know here here again Peter you I used to feel exactly the same as you do in fact we’ve
[00:27:00] had this conversation before privately at a different time when you were raising money you know for the X price for on the health side on the longevity side right like what’s wrong with these people and you know the only reason I can answer is not because I’m so smart but because I believe I I talked to a very smart friend of mine who’s been my one of my dearest friends for the last 30 35 years and that’s Peter goober who I know you know well as well and Peter was saying Tony you’re you’re being pissed off and stressed at people and he goes it’s not consistent with all the other things you do you everywhere else you try to understand them you try to appreciate what drives them he said that’s why you’re so effective but you you have low tolerance because you’re willing you know I’ve given away 177% of all I’ve earned in the last 10 years to give you an idea not 10% of the gross revenues I’ve made you know it’s like I’m disproportionate what I do so I think everybody else should be he goes not everybody is he goes here’s how I think you should look at it and ever since he told me this is how I look at it now he said okay I I want to know what it is that is their hot button and I want to deliver that and instead of saying oh they should do this so so they can save children you know let’s say for example you got 28,000 kids now that
[00:28:01] I’ve saved that are were trafficked I mean one child in a traffic situation chained to a bed will seeing this will you’ll just it it you’ll be altered forever so it’s like I have been altered yeah some people don’t care about they don’t care about that Underground Railroad yeah yeah Underground Railroad but many organizations they’re one of them but the most important thing is he said some people do things because they want their name on the hospital side of the wall some you know on the building some people do it because they’re guilty because they didn’t earn their wealth and so they they want to get rid of the guilt some people do it because they care about their children some people are going to do it because and you have to figure out what those are and instead of being mad about it you got to say what is their hot button and that has helped me immensely and raising Capital because I don’t have the Judgment anymore they should do it for the reasons I think they should do it I’m obviously I I feel strongly about saving people in a variety of areas food water air I mean everything but I also now see everybody’s got their thing everybody’s got their passions we got their insights and all I want to know is what’s their
[00:29:01] hot button so they’ll contribute I don’t care about if it’s for the right reasons who’s the right reasons that’s my judgment it’s their reasons I need to get into and I think when you do that you’re more effective you’re you’re unbelievably effective in raising capital for businesses and you’ve been really effective on the nonprofit side but I think you can’t here’s my belief MH you going have a hard time influencing people when you’re judging them and and and the bottom line is if you’re not judging them you can influence them because you can take time to understand what their needs are and meet them and that’s what business is and so philanthropy has to be looked at I think through the same light and that’s what I do today and I’ve the number of people that I’ve been able to engage and involve now has gone geometric compared to when I just thought they should do it and got frustrated and and let’s be clear I’m not judging on what they should do it is do anything do something that’s still judging okay I’m I’m not saying you’re wrong you and I have come from the same place but it’s like like your values are they should
[00:30:01] not be building more of that but some of them are going to build that and they’re going to give it away some people are going to build that and they’re applying all these jobs I mean you got to remember there’s so many if a bumblebee goes and it’s trying to get the nectar got to arrange something pretty cool it doesn’t know it’s getting what it wants but it’s still playing a role in something larger I me you know the pollen sticks to the legs and that’s how we have more flowers so it’s like I have a different mindset about it now it’s like if that guy keeps all the money forever and hold up his businesses who cares that capital and those businesses are still providing jobs and opportunity but I’d like to find a piece of his heart I’d like to figure out what he’s passionate about or get him introduced to something that once he experiences it or she they go oh my God I never knew it was like this or I never knew it felt so good to give in this way of my time my energy my intellect my emotion or Andor my money and that it makes it more fulfilling while you’re doing it yeah the the the conversation I had was actually around uh an idea we kicked around of the impact play pledge I said the giving pledge right which is uh uh
[00:31:00] Gates and Buffett is I’m going to give half of my money to a nonprofit or I’m alive and it’s like well you can’t take it with you so you don’t have that much of a choice but uh and this is where I was you know complimenting you it isn’t just your Capital that you’re giving uh on on your you know uh your billions now to hundreds of billions of of meals it’s your capital and your intellect and your relationships and your time and so the question is how can we incentivize those who’ve got the means to really take on leaving the world a better place making an impact and I agree like listen I’m a capitalist I’m a capitalist libertarian more jobs more businesses created fantastic but at the end of the day uh it’s how do we get them to to call their shots and make an make it a larger impact is it just finding that heartstring or is there any other way I mean you know if the Forbes list game ofi wealth retention is there an impact list to game ofi making an impact on the
[00:32:01] planet what ideas you have yeah I I think anything that can tap into those different needs some people do things for the need for significance some people do things for the need for connection with other people some people do it to grow some people do it because they just want to contribute some people do it you know because they want Variety in their life and it’s a new thing for them so instead of like having one universal approach I think we have to have multiple approaches but gamifying impact I think is would certainly help those who a measuring stick and want to be known for the level of measuring stick they’ve developed and that’s one type of person but I think also it’s like um again I think the I have a slightly different approach than I did with maybe I was 50 or 40 and that is I’m I have no difficulty finding plenty of people that want to play at this level at this stage I think more and more people do and I think as things get more difficult it tends to wake people up to what’s most important to them and I saw you know winter is it’s here but we’re we haven’t hit the worst part of winter yet we’ve had some Financial winter we’re going to have a lot more
[00:33:00] difficult times and the one good thing I remember I was sitting down with President United States President Clinton years ago and went to Camp David with him and he was complaining to me I remember I was like 31 years old and I really liked him but he was just whining it felt like to me I’m making my judgment in those days right this guy’s the most powerful guy on Earth that he’s complaining because no one understands what he’s doing you know it was at the time when you know he was really ineffective in the beginning and the Republicans had taken over both the house and the Senate and he was on and on and on and I remember just looking at him and saying well sir I said think about it this way you have to decide what you going to make your focus be and it’s got to be something that other people are inspired by the things you’ve done that you say no one notices it’s because no one’s inspired by it what are the targets you’re going to set that are going to make this more alive and more real and I think I think today uh the other thing he told me the reason I thought of the story was he kept talking about you know he was the first president where there was an external enemy so for the first time that short time we didn’t have terrorism we didn’t have the Soviet Union right so like now we’re fighting amongst ourselves and I’ve always said you know the I think
[00:34:01] Reagan even said this it’s like if there was ever a time that America come to the world would come together is if some alien group came in attacking us we’d all be right right so but there’s something about bad times that will also make people come back together and unify and start to look at how they can serve something Beyond themselves and you look at World War II and you see some of the some of the best entrepreneurs in the world there who gave up a lot of what they had for the war effort to turn things around I think the times that are coming will call to people to give more of All Sorts the the entrepreneur the business person the general population as well it’ll create an alignment that’s why we have seasons winter gets rid of the old stuff it’s tough as hell and it makes you grow and then Springtime is the reward and then summer is the test and then Falls the reward it’s this alternating cycles that human beings go through it Society goes through and history goes through and and for the entrepreneurs listening you know now is the best time to be looking for what your companies going to be right some of the most extraordinary companies on the planet were born out of the you know the
[00:35:02] dot Bust or the 2008 real estate Bust or out of out of covid so uh you know if you’re looking uh to do something you want to step up to a bigger game uh look around find out what the needs are uh and help reinvent the industry that you’re passionate about if you look at the The Fortune 1,000 and you think of the Four Seasons Financial Seasons we go through there’s springtime when things just grow like crazy it’s easy you think you’re a genius it’s really the times that are going there’s the summer when now you planted all the seeds and it’s hot it’s not working so well there’s the fall when all of a sudden everybody’s reaping somebody wants to give you a mortgage even though you don’t have a house you know and then there’s the winter where it looks like nothing’s working and it’s all falling apart but winter isn’t forever you know no you know no pandemic is forever no war is forever it’s a season and if you do well in winter you’ll you’ll stand the test of time so of those four finan cial Seasons if I showed you the fortune 1000 more than 60% were born in one season of
[00:36:01] the four it’s not balanced and I don’t care whether it’s Disney during a depression or whether it was you know Apple during a recession we go we can go through them all so it’s like this is your time and and I always tell people there’s two businesses you got to always be working on the business you’re in and the business you’re becoming because if you don’t focus on the business you’re in you’re going to be attracted all this cool exciting stuff over here and you don’t have the cash flow to get there right or if you just focus on the business you’re in someone’s going to be out there preparing for the future that you’re not prepared for and they’re going to take you out so it’s really that balance as an entrepreneur that really will make you successful over the long term yeah uh if you were going to start a company what would you start do you have any ideas of where you want to go I you don’t I know you don’t want to start another company but what some of the challenges that you’d go after out there any place in particular I I think I for me I would look at Healthcare obviously as you and I already are and I would certainly look at Finance which has to be changed it’s it’s abusive the way it’s currently set up and people don’t even realize it the level of power
[00:37:02] that’s concentrated in a few people because people don’t know what 1% means sounds like nothing but you know compounded interests compounded fees I would I would be looking those areas and I have been educating people in both those areas I can make better choices through my books and educational programs but I think they’re there and then there’s the use of all the tools that are coming nanotechnology obviously AI we all know what’s coming and what’s here but the as you know better than anybody we’re at the base of we’re at the beginning of the beginning the beginning what’s going to happen in those areas and I’d be looking for an industry where the technology is multiplying rapidly enough to solve those problems that are not really solvable today do you know uh a 100 years ago at the turn of the last century when electricity was coming online uh the entrepreneurial engine was taking something and adding electricity it was like a hand drill an electric drill a hand dry hand dishwasher make an electric dishwasher and so forth and we’re going to see the same thing at I think in AI in particular uh where AI can be applied to everything and um yeah
[00:38:03] so let let’s turn towards a subject ask I ask you a quick question I ask you a quick question so what’s your view and I you know you have a mutual friend who’s predicted the timeline on this obviously with Ry but what’s your view about where AI is right now in terms of Consciousness I mean we all heard the story of the gentleman works for Google and and we heard the take backs from Google and he got fired you know what’s your view about where things really are and have youal I haven’t spoken to Ry about it I was curious what what Ray’s thoughts are if you know yeah I I have spoken to Ry at length and he’ll be uh with us both at a360 you’ll be there this year we can talk about it um uh he’s still holding to 2029 as human level AI uh you know Elon came out a few months ago saying 2025 now we both know he sort of is uh uh he hasn’t hit all of his targets but you know let’s just let’s give anti he’s anticipatory yes so the second half of this decade now what’s interesting is uh you know AI is
[00:39:02] a field that’s 50 years old and the idea of the touring test came about you know some 40 50 years ago and it was originally going to be just testing a system by typing at it could you in a typing communication tell if something was a human typing back at you or computer typing back at you and I would argue to a large degree that old style of touring test the systems today can most definitely pass it but we’ve moved the bar up yeah we’ve moved the bar up significantly and uh and I’m I am anticipating and I am betting that we’ll have human level AI at by the end of the century end of this decade sorry and and the question is how does it change your life and your world it changes everything right um in terms of your your employees uh but the thing that people haven’t pulled in is there’s a lot of work going on in in Quantum Technologies right now in Quantum computation which is moving very quickly
[00:40:01] which is going to uh in itself Advance the whole field of of AI so uh it’s fun it’s fun and exciting and it scares the out of most people it does and and they got to be prepared because so many jobs are going to disappear new jobs will be created but there’s that that timeline difference I mean we were all Farmers 200 years ago 80% of America’s Farmers now it’s what 2% we provide food for the whole world so it’s like it’s much more efficient but in that timeline that took you know 80 years of transition now the transitions are so quick I think it’s going to be a bit jolting I people yeah okay you and I had you and I almost started a series of conversations on technological unemployment remember that we were fearful of and and uh we didn’t and the challenge is that today they’re like two job openings for every unemployed person it’s never been this this much and but also the job participation the job participation rate is through the
[00:41:00] floor it’s not just the opportunities are there right people have dropped out of the system and U and a lot of women have dropped out of the system and now for Millennials there’s the new phrase I’m sure you’ve heard about this silent quitting which is how do I do the absolute minimum amount of work to keep my job and it’s so there’s a there’s a there’s a psychological difference that isn’t it isn’t just an economical difference or environmental difference you know I I tell this story I mean this fear of Technology uh causing mass unemployment isn’t new I tell the story that there was a letter written by a number of Nobel laurates and top scientists sent to the United States about the impact of automation on the finance Market on destroying all of the jobs and finance and that letter was sent to Lynden B Johnson back in the 60s you know when the first computers came out but of course we got more Bankers than ever before so the question is you know you’ve probably seen all the stuff that that’s coming out on Dolly and Dolly 2 I mean it’s extraordinary right
[00:42:01] so it’s going to be about human uh AI partnership at least for a time being the other thing I think about is that there’s a lot of people who are doing jobs which they didn’t dream about doing when they were kids right they’re cleaning bathrooms they’re making beds they’re they’re waitressing and at end of the day how do we how do we partner with AI to uplift those individuals I I think that I think you everybody who uh who cares about the future and cares about their kids for the future has to understand that there’s no way to predict what’s going to happen it’s already accelerating so rapidly so the one thing you can control is your ability to learn and the things that you have to learn are three things three skills first recognizing patterns it is the basis of human progress if you say why is Humanity where it is today instead of still out there hunter gatherers trying to find food and survive it was one pattern recognizing the p pattern of the seasons understanding there’s this thing called winter and if you plant during winter it
[00:43:00] doesn’t matter how hard you work you don’t get rewarded there’s only a specific there’s a right time for everything and so the pattern of that recognition allowed us to stay in one place plant grow have communities cities nation states I mean it’s one of the most profound changes in humanity well there’s also seasons of a human beings life and if you’re going to be successful you have to recognize those seasons and second skills learn how to use those Seasons because it’s one thing to recognize so think are no longer just chaos like you know looking at where we are right now with the world you know you you study Ray Doo’s work of 500 years of studying you know of history of different you know countries growing and then declining and what occurs it’s very predictable what’s happened it’s not like oh my God what’s happening no this is a predictable pattern now what are you going to do to use it so it doesn’t use you and so that’s the same thing in your own life what season are you are are you in the springtime of your life 0 to 20 are you the 22 to 42 where you’re the soul so your Society you’re testing what you were taught as a kid you’re deciding what you want you’re finding
[00:44:00] out life is much more complex you’re not going to be a billionaire and the president United States and simultaneously all these relationships yeah I have to start figuring this stuff out oh I got to raise the oh my God are you in that 43 to 63 range where it’s the power years if you grew during the previous two are you in that 64 to 84 to 104 to 124 right where you’re the mentor Society but if you if you can teach your kids and yourself to recognize patterns and to use patterns then you’ll get to the third level which you’ll start to create patterns and those are the people that shape their world their life their family their Community their company Society right and those are the three patterns and if you do those three it won’t matter what AI does it won’t matter what goes on you will be there it’s like Warren Buffett the other day was doing his you know annual conference and people asked him about inflation and said you know what do we do and he said that the thing you got to do is invest in yourself because if the Cent Cy Goes to Hell and we’re and we’re using pokker shells and you’re the best lawyer you’re
[00:45:01] the best scientist you’re the best business person you’re going to get the premium of whatever is you’re available and they can’t tax your skill set as your skills grow so I think we all have to grow our skills we have to know where the world is going to some extent meaning the mountain direction of the mountain we know the precise place and we got to recognize patterns use patterns and start to create patterns of our own and that’ll put you or your kids in control of their life no matter what change happens around them because that’s the learning experience let me add one more thing to that which is rather than becoming an expert in the technology cuz technolog is changing constantly yes it’s under becoming an expert in the problem right understanding the root cause of the problem because then you can apply the next level of Technology next level of Technology uh to that so I think that’s a that’s an important thing to add it’s like the same thing in a business you don’t fall in love with your product or your service you fall in love with your client because if you understand who they are the products and services are going to change so rapidly today I mean I had a Sony Walkman that’s old I am and that damn thing was around for 22 years
[00:46:01] they changed the color the shape was the same product now you got a 90-day life cycle to a six-month life cycle on most products before it’s knocked off by four other companies right so it’s much more competitive today hey everybody I hope you’re enjoying this episode want to tell you about something I’ve been doing for years every quarter or so having a FLOTUS come to my home to draw Bloods to understand what’s going on inside my body and it was a challenge to get all the right blood draws and all the right tests done so I ended up co-founding a company that sends a fonus to my home to measure 40 different biomarkers every quarter put them up on a dashboard so I can see what’s in range what’s out of range and then get the right supplements medicines peptides hormones to optimize my health it’s something that I want for all my friends and family and I’d love it for you if you’re interested go to myli force.com back/ Peter to learn more let’s get back to the episode all right I’m going to turn us towards uh a a
[00:47:00] topic of common passion and love uh which is longevity and health span so uh I’ll set the setting you and I are at the Vatican uh we’re at the at the unite con uh conference there we’re having an ex prise event I invited you to and uh you’re giving your Keynotes and I’m giving mine I’m on stage uh with uh heads of different Rel religions and in the audience is and scientists and in and in the audience are like 4 or 500 scientists from around the world uh interested rejuvenated medicine and all of this and I ask an innocent question which is uh how many of you here would like to live to 120 years old and I’m Cricket shocked it was cricket it was crickets it was like it like a quarter of the audience raised their hand and I’m like WTF I mean what what going on here especially since they the very people that you were talking to so people have context were creating some
[00:48:01] of the greatest breakthroughs and cancer breakthroughs and stem cells I mean what what they were bringing looked like Miracles And yet when you brought this up it was crickets and you remember what I said to you you were stunned I was not I I was yeah you were not so what so so tell people listening why you weren’t stunned well I wasn’t stunned cuz I said Peter most people’s idea of 120 years old is decrepit and broken down and you know not not the quality life I think more people care about the quanti quality of their life than the quantity of their life and so when you can match them too that’s different if you said okay who’d like to be 120 if you could have total insurance so you have all your cognitive capacities at their highest level you’d have your your physical capacity strength Mobility everything else you’d look damn good you could have a great sensual life still be alive you could be stimulated all levels then people might start saying I don’t know if I believe it but if that’s possible I’m in but I think most people with the minute they hear age like that I mean one of great gifts for me is some of my best friends now that I met when they were like 45 and they’re 18 years
[00:49:00] my senior like you know Peter gibber’s 80 years old as you know he’s one of my dearest friends you know you look around and you see somebody like uh Steve win he’s 80 years old and Peter today I remember he was like 47 so now he’s 80 the guy owns the the Warriors the Dodgers the lafc football with him in he he’s a regent for UC for the UC system he teaches at UCLA he makes movies I mean the guy does more today at 880 than he did when he was 47 or 50 supposedly in his prime same thing with Steve W I’m not and so and you look at Ray D I think is 74 75 so you need Role Models that’ll have a quality life like you look at Peter you’d never think he’s 80 years old you know not in a trillion years you know people think he’s late 50s early 60s Max so I think I always tell people goals are great you raising your standards wonderful that’s the first step in anything raise your standard for what you’re committed to what you want to have whether it be how long you’re going to live the quality of your life but you got to make that standard Real by having some role models and then you
[00:50:00] need rituals to back it up that actually make what those Role Models do what do they do that you want to do as well that’s the way I look at things but you’re right most people they just want to get through the you know most people also aren’t engaged in life enough they’re like you know I I I think 70 or 80 years is enough for me but you and I are like we don’t want to sleep we’ve both learned to sleep a little bit together but we don’t want to sleep because we’re so excited but not every body is in that place and I think getting more Role Models though is really the key for people to see and the stuff that coming out now like the thing you sent me the other day where you can take off almost a year of of age you know by those injections you were talking to me about the other day was pretty amazing so so you know I’ve changed the way I phrase it now which is how many of you want to have the Aesthetics the cognition and the mobility you have today for the next you know 20 better than today some of them shitty shitty pretty shitty today that’s true so so so let me ask you a question I I think you know my answer but how old
[00:51:00] if you could have your cognition Aesthetics Mobility that you have today or even better how long do you want to live oh as long as I could as long as those things could be intact I mean for me especially now cuz I remember was telling my wife I’m not have you know I’ve got five kids and five grandkids but when I still had four kids I was like I’m not having a kid past 50 I’m not going to show up to be 70 well now I’m going to show up and be 80 at daughter’s high school you know graduation but so I got more reason more incentive to love long time also because my kids are are young and old and grandkids and everything else between it so for me I mean 120 has been proven again and again as a number that most humans seem to be able not most humans a few humans have been able to live to I think with the technology and the changes what you remember the number what was the number for the average lifespan 100 years ago 150 years ago yeah it was it was about 40 and uh and and it’s increased significantly I remember one of the conversations we had at the Vatican I had uh uh one of the senior rabbis was on my my panel and he
[00:52:02] talked about the Biblical history that you know Methuselah and and Moses had 7 800 years but then uh uh you know humans did some wrong things in God’s eye and he said you should only have 120 years I said okay I’ll take 120 years and then I’ll renegotiate after that but uh and it’s it’s interesting I mean can you feel um I mean I’m sure you can the palpable speed at which this field is moving oh you know David David Sinclair’s work is some of my favorite work and anybody who hasn’t looked at his work we have in our book together and he’s become a dear friend for both of us I think he’s The Cutting Edge because what he’s really showing us is that we can become younger as we get older meaning that we can literally not just slow down or stop but perhaps reverse the aging clock that to me is the most exciting thing of all and I think um it’s so much money and so much energy is being poured into this by some of the wealthiest companies and wealthiest individuals in the world
[00:53:00] because they don’t want to just have what they have now they want to extend that life as long as they have in a quality way and I think people just don’t know about it one of the reasons that we wrote Life Force One Reas I was inspired to do it in the first place was I want to get this out of here because from the time that’s a clinician has the Breakthrough to the time it shows up and your local doctor on average is 17 years I mean so we try to accelerate that by showing people it’s here now you can go do this right now people just don’t know and they’re tools that can change people’s lives but we got to get people educated so they know so I have a question for you I had an interesting conversation with Elon about this um we were at SpaceX and we’re talking about whole slew of things he said so what are you up to these days and this is about five six years ago I said I’m really focusing in on on longevity I didn’t call it age reversal back then which is what you know the terminology is right now because we’re really trying to you know not slow and stop aging but reverse aging but I said you know I want to add I’ve been pretty consistent add 20 30 healthy years years and then during that time we’ll reach other Technologies and add another 20 30 healthy years and he
[00:54:00] said I don’t think we should he said I don’t think people should live that long I think the old guard needs to die to make room for the new guard and I you know he was uh in his early 40s my my response to him was uh you’ll probably change when you get older but I I am roll Stone saying if I if I’m singing satisfaction when I’m 35 I want kill myself and now we’re 75 doing it right so I am curious about that because I don’t buy that I mean I I see young individuals especially in the defi world and in the AI World independent of uh of age coming in and disrupting Industries uh do you feel like I mean we have people like Putin and others who you know we’d love to have um gracefully disappear but at the end of the day how do you feel about that do you agree with him at all is there any context that you agree with there I I understand the context the context is um you know you
[00:55:00] don’t want certain families power individuals staying in power so long and and basically suffocating something moving up but your point is well made which is if you really have something unique if you have something Grand in its impact they can’t stop you I mean you know Hilton’s been around for 115 years and Airbnb our buddies over there you know have surpassed their market value by2 billion and they don’t know a single hotel room right Hilton and you know Western Ford versus Uber right same thing so so I but I understand the nature there is a sense of are you messing with nature because there is a point and so I personally don’t know if living forever is the solution or not I don’t know if that’s what me people would really want but I think extending the quality of life and the length of it so that the wisdom could happen because a lot of history you if you study the patterns of History happen cuz when the Old Guard dies like the World War II generation dies everybody’s idea of war is very different they don’t know what it’s really like all these other Wars we
[00:56:00] fought since then are nothing by comparison right or the Civil War right and people are talking about a civil war right now why because the people who went through the Civil War have been dead for so long there’s no living person to tell you are you insane let me tell you what like more people died there than any other War we’ve had right so I think I think there’s great enhancing the link of time I personally think is wonderful but is there a natural time for a transition I mean you know Ray thinks you you’ll download your Consciousness into you know computer and that’s really possible but I think Life as we know it has a cycle but I think it certainly can be linked in and the same reason you got in this in first place tell people how you what you thought about the whales what got you thinking in this way in the first place so I’m in medical school uh I’m running a space company but fourth year medical school life is intense I see this television show on Long Live sea life and that uh species of whales boohead whales are living 200 years Greenland sharks are living 4 or 500 years and I’m I’m saying
[00:57:00] to myself if they can live that long why can’t I so and it’s either going to be an engineering problem or a software problem and I said we’re going to solve that and I really think it’s this decade the next decade that we’re going to have the tools uh to to do that you know and it’s the thing that people don’t realize is it’s been a slow steady progress but the last decade has been this massive inflection and the acceleration with big data with AI with tools like crisper um that we’re beginning to understand you know to to quote David Sinclair why we age and maybe why we don’t have to and so uh you know Ry talks about something called Longevity escape velocity that today uh uh in during a decade uh we’re adding on average two years per decade but there’s going to be a point at which we’re adding you know a decade per decade and then more more than a decade per decade now interestingly uh Ray’s prediction for that was we’d have that in the next 12 to 13 years I asked
[00:58:01] George church and I wrote about this in our in our book life force I said when do you think we’ll hit longevity escape velocity and you know he’s a conservative Harvard Professor geneticist and he said you know uh in the next 15 to 20 years and and that blew me away so anybody so the interesting thing is if you believe you can be healthy over the next 20 years let’s margin it 25 years that means you’re going to be intercepting new technologies that will extend your Runway and you’re you’re intercepting more and more that means basically if you’re under the age of 50 you’re going to have the probably have the opportunity to make those choices but will be interesting though Peter I’m hoping it’s under the age of of 65 for both of us pal I’m with you on that but but here’s the interesting thing not every every’s life is so meaningful that they want to live longer this is the other point this is the piece for me it’s like when people keep talking about these things it’s like it comes down to human needs
[00:59:00] human psychology human emotion do they have a compelling future you know anyone can deal with a tough today if they have a compelling tomorrow but if today is not compelling and tomorrow is not compelling who gives a damn about what they’re living longer or not and unfortunately if you look at our society right now in the middle of winter psychologically and so many people being medicated today right these medications don’t make you have get out of pain they just numb you right all these I know you saw the ssris the whole studies are coming out showing the whole philosophy to ssris doesn’t work they just came out and talked about it doesn’t do anything and yet they’re still selling them the science is out it was meta studies so it’s like it’s crazy to think about this but today you got all these people that you know have committed suicide you have the largest number of overdoses 100,000 plus than we’ve ever had in the history of this country there is a psychology about the future that is has to shift because being healthy is not compelling if you don’t think the future is worth living for yeah I think that is one of the most important I talk about having a longevity mindset um and and uh I’m
[01:00:02] curious what your thoughts are around what that would mean but one of them is actually having a bigger future than your past yeah it’s yeah yeah please I I I was going to say I think it’s what gives people energy at any age besides physical energy the psychological spiritual emotional energy that drives someone to do something unique is to find something that care about more than themselves there’s only so much you’ll do for yourself because it doesn’t it’s not that hard to get yourself to the point where you’re comfortable and you’re okay and you’re fed well and you’re in the world we live in today even if you want to live off somebody else it’s possible to do that so in most modern countries not everywhere obviously because we’re having huge problems because of covid and because of Ukraine in terms of feeding people in many parts of the world right now that’s why I’m doing this 100 billion meals challenge not just the billion me challenge but if you look at this it we’re really missing for most people a sense of what am I here to serve Beyond myself because our society and it’s no one’s fault social media the science of
[01:01:00] it has made us so self-oriented and the self is never happy or fulfilled you’re happy and fulfilled when you’re not thinking about yourself when you’re serving your kids you’re serving your family or your community or some Mission or your business or something you’re going to live for but as long as it’s just you you won’t have the energy or desire or drive to do much else again you’ll only have Push motivation which is coming from pain or pleasure versus pull motivation which is something larger that leaps you out of yourself out of your own individual psychology and into a level of consciousness of service which is where people are most alive you know I always said uh I had my two my twin boys Dax and Jet when I was 50 they’re 11 now and I said that’s part of my longevity mindset therapy right and and the same for you and your daughter right it’s it’s like it’s a drive yeah for for sure question no question you know the power of the human mind uh another uh amazing mutual friend Dr markk Heyman he tweeted yesterday or the day before he said having a loving
[01:02:00] connected conversation with someone will turn on genes that shut off inflammation stopping inflammation with your thoughts uh talk about the power of the mind and and a longevity mindset to I I think people can Will themselves to death and will themselves to life well we know that’s true we know that from witch doctors that you know somebody comes and they point the bone and the person has a heart attack and they die because the absolute certainty that this is going to cause them to live be a certain way but I think the the longevity mindset to me is really about a life of meaning um that’s what I was alluding to here it’s like what what is going to give your life the meaning it isn’t going to be happy every moment happiness is happiness comes and goes right but what’s what lasts is meaning a depth of meaning that makes it all worthwhile it’s like you know sometimes you know you and I get together people that we love or we’ve succeeded most of people when you’re when you’re thinking about things we’re talking about things if we’re not talking about what we’re creating for now and for the future we think about where we are compared to where we were and you remember those tough times and they’re like some of the most joyous things CU they provide contrast like in order to have a
[01:03:01] foreground you need a background and I think what we really desperately need to have people get a better sense of today is like what is going to give my life greater meaning what is going to make me want to get up early and stay up late and feel Fully Alive to me that’s the most important thing and relationships are the base of it all because look you know it’s been said a million times in Corny ways you know when no one is on their deathbed saying I wish they spent more time at the office but it’s just all the studies show that the longevity comes from having those meaningful loving relationships it’s what gives you Joy and it’s so sad today that so many people are turning away from the concept of family so many young people today because they’ve been convinced the world is going to end you know climate change is going to destroy us I mean look if you if you really look at the statistics and where we are we’re not we we’re not past that point and if you look at human history how many times in your lifetime we’re both over 60 have you seen the end of the world the end of oil the end of everything right and it’s like it’s never been true I remember CNN was
[01:04:01] talking about just two years ago three years ago the Barrier Reef is destroyed and now the Barrier Reef is growing more than it ever has in the last 30 years right in Australia it’s just like we look at things in this little shape here and we also forget that the Earth has warmed and cooled many times before before we were here and the world’s doing fine the real question is how will we adapt and how do we make sure that we still create a compelling future cuz so many young people today they don’t even want to have a family cuz they go what what am I going to bring these kids into it’s winter you need to grow during winter that was the turning point for when I wrote the book abundance I was a conversation in a coffee shop and a and a guy and gal we’re having conversation about whether they should bring a child into this world and cuz it was so bad I was like I was like in the in my own mind like what world are you seeing this is the most extraordinary world of opportunity ever there’s there’s nothing we can’t do now the challenges of well people here’s the thing people have nothing to compare it to it’s like interviewing these college students about America I’m so embarrassed of
[01:05:01] where else have you been nowhere like if they they’ve never traveled anybody else I was in the Soviet Union when it was still the Soviet Union I I’ve been down you know in South America and some of these countries that were on the edge when they were really on the edge so it’s like I have I know what what it really means to have Socialism or what it really means to be in communism they have no reference they just have what they believe about where things are and their belief is being colored by the environment and by social media and by the current media and I think it’s up to guys like all of us who see a better future to show people what’s real what’s true and to create some contrast for them they have no contrast right now we are living with less violence in any time in human history Stephen Pinker did this great study and over the last X number of centuries it’s been about 15% of the people that have been directly involved with something of violence today it’s 0.006 but you know know we see it today because it’s right there on your phone it’s right there in your face it’s there every single moment we have less violence we have longer living we have
[01:06:01] we have a a world where we got more people out of poverty than ever in human history even though there’s still poverty and huge challenges we have these everything in your hand you know it’s it’s crazy cuz we’re bombarded by the same murder over and over and over again in our living room and it just hits our amigdalas and it’s it’s insane um you know showing people that better future future showing the potential of that future is really going back to our first conversation on entrepreneurs which I really want uh those listening to us to to to internalize and and focus on it’s how do we how do we create a vision of that future and really that’s a little bit of where xprize is going it’s like this is from a first principle thinking this is possible in energy in the future this is possible education and Healthcare and we can uplift every man woman and child yes no no question no question and I I I I to say to those people also especially
[01:07:00] the ones that have who’ve built some resources it’s like where else are you going to go I I I got to the point I can remember maybe 10 years ago where it’s like if I wasn’t doing this for my passion what would I be doing this for I’ve outdone everything I ever dreamed of and there’s no thing that I want you know play G Automobiles and none of that drove me anyway impact is what’s Driven me so like okay well I’m going to reach Millions more people how do I make that game bigger and that’s when I started setting these goals okay I’m going to feed a billion people that is a worthy goal on top of all the hundreds of millions or billion people I’ve had a chance to touch in other ways let me provide food them and then I remember I was in India and I saw these kids dying of waterborne diseases so easy to solve and so now I provide water for a quarter of a million people a day in India and I got a gold to go to a million then you know I was fortunate enough to get my own plane I was like I’m conscious about what that means it’s like okay how many trees is that that’s 5,000 trees a year so I planted 71 million trees on my gold 100 million trees already but not just trees building farmland and showing people in Africa how to create these
[01:08:01] rain these forests these areas where they now have a new crop every month instead of once a year how do they go from do25 a day to $12 doesn’t sound like much but they’re rich in their community and they’re not trying to cross the desert and dying and they when one crop doesn’t work they’re still there you know it’s like so I go okay air water food okay how about Freedom how about all these kids right now the slave is the largest it’s ever been in human history nobody wants to talk about it’s so ugly it’s the fastest growing crime because they get to use it over and over again they don’t have to send a new drug they use that child over and over again it’s insane so okay now we got 28,000 children on the way to 50,000 children want to free what bigger than the CDI I grew up in that was the target but these goals you know I want to I want to create a community where the people are going to live I I worked with a 3D company we built a hundred homes in Mexico people there showing a lifestyle and showing all these NOS what’s possible how fast you can build a home in a day so all the things that I’ve been doing here you know from the planting of the trees to the food to
[01:09:00] helping people on the health side they give me more juice than my businesses did and then that gave me more reasons I mean I donate more now today than I would have dreamed of even earning at one stage and it gives me the reason to make the business even more successful the companies I’m in as well as look for businesses where I can have the highest and largest impact possible but you got to find the buttons that are going to get you and you got to discover what it is and when you get around something like I said earlier something will strike you but if you stay in the same box doing your business the same way every day around the same kind of people the same kind of thinking you might do well but are you going to be fulfilled are you going to be driven are you going to be excited are you going to have a sense of meaning you need to find something big enough and bold enough as you have done Peter and I have done and the people we love have done that really will get you to maximize who you are because in the end the only we get to keep is what we’ve given this is the juice I wanted for people to hear right because it really is inspiring them to pursue that life of meaning to to make a bigger impact on the planet to use whatever skills or Treasures or tools
[01:10:01] they have to go and do that because you have a choice where you invest your time all of us have today you know the same 24 hours in a day seven days in a week how many how many days in our lifetime it’s how we spend that time uh that we can choose and make a difference in and and you know we have the ability more than ever before to impact the world’s biggest problems uplift individuals whether you’re doing it directly or you’re doing it by the company you choose to work for or where you donate your money and I think that sense of impact there’s nothing more important now the question from what percentage of people are living that life of meeting and impact you think a very without guessing a number and making it up a very small percentage unfortunately right but I think it’s a larger number uh at at different stages I think right now there’s so many people that have gotten to learn helpless helpless you know where after a while when you teach you you you take that little elephant you know the metaphor it’s little baby elephant and they tie a rope
[01:11:00] around it and they drive it in the ground and it tugs and it can’t pull it now it’s a big elephant it could take the whole damn tent down it doesn’t even try I think the co experience has conditioned a lot of people to accept a life far less than what they desire or deserve but I also know there other people they’re going to lead the way and show what’s possible and that that’s how life changes you know how how do we go from no one ever running a 4minute mile to Roger banister doing it and 40 6 days later another guy does it and now there’s over 200 people have done it because when somebody shows what’s possible that’s what drives the species to find the people that are hungry enough to say if that’s possible for them I can do it too or I can do even more and I think that’s the the secret to human progress and and by the way if people listening if we if we were to summarize the whole thing in the end what do you want to have you want to have a meaningful life you want a life that feels really joyful happy where does happiness come from progress progress equals happiness I don’t give a where you are if you’re not where you want to be physically and you just start working out and you lose a few pounds and you start feeling better you’re going to feel alive if your
[01:12:00] relationship isn’t where it was you attack it you’re going to feel more alive and if you’re doing around your finances whatever we do progress is everything and think about it when people achieve their goal whatever their goal is know how big it is they feel great for how long uh 6 months a year five years I don’t think so most people somewhere between 6 hours and 6 weeks and then they’re on to the next thing and the reason is because we’re made to keep growing if we don’t grow we don’t feel alive and that’s what progress is when you grow you have something to give when you have something to give your life becomes meaningful along that line Tony a gratitude mindset you know I think for entrepreneurs in particular uh having a gratitude mindset is one of the things that uh uh allows them to play at the level they play consistently because they’re going to be hitting the floor a lot of times I think you need a daily practice first of all you got to see why because it can sound so positive thinky but if you really if you look at all the studies what are the two emotions that destroy most people’s lives their businesses their relationships their
[01:13:00] happiness you know what is it it’s anger and it’s fear and anger and fear have an antidote and the antidote is really simple it’s called gratitude when you you can’t be grateful and angry simultaneously that’s the beauty you can’t be fearful and grateful simultaneously so I think people need a daily practice and I do too and there are all kinds of ones mine I call it priming and in essence what I do every single morning the first thing I do I go do my physical things and my cold water my work my workout my exercise and then I sit down and I do 10 minutes and I do it as 10 minutes because if you know I said 20 you might say you don’t have time but if you don’t have 10 minutes if you don’t have 10 minutes for your life you don’t have a life right so it’s like most people can do 10 minutes and the 10 and a lot of times it goes more than that because it feels good but what I’m do is I focus on the step I first make a radical change in your body to get yourself out of the place you’re in I’ll do like Breath of Fire 30 of those breaths in through the nose out through the nose explosively right and you do do that over and over like I do three sets of 30 now my body’s changed I just do three things three minutes on what I’m grateful for a minute each on three
[01:14:00] specific memories something in my life that’s happening today or has happened and I see it feel it and I step in like I’m there like like not remembering being on a roller coaster over there like remembering going over the front as you’re dropping down you know being in the experience that’s what makes it Associated and connected it changes your biochemistry and when you stack three of them it’ll actually change your heart and brain rhythms has been proven by variety of studies right you’ll literally see them working together you get in this Oneness kind of state and then I do just three minutes of what would be like a prayer or a blessing for the best of me to be used that day and then sending that blessing from my heart into all those I love starting with my children my family my friends my co-workers all the way out to people I’m going to serve and while that may sound Airy fairy there’s been plenty of research Joon that when you go into a state of compassion or love for others including strangers it rewires your brain in a different way and then the last 3 minutes I do what I call all three to thrive I spend a minute each and think of something I really want to achieve but I don’t think about wanting to achieve it I see it as done complete
[01:15:00] and celebratory in my body like it’s actually happened convincing my brain that it’s already there and I’m done and in 10 minutes I have primed my brain for an extraordinary day when if you don’t prime it it’s going to be primed by the news it’s going to be primed by what somebody tells you it’s going to be primed by the first challenge put in front of you so I think using gratitude as a daily practice is really critical if people want to you can go to tonyrobbins.com priming it’s free there’s a video that’ll guide you through it if you want to do it but or you can just do your own version of it yeah and I’ve done it a dozen times at all of your events which I commend to everybody they’re extraordinary especially date with Destiny which has changed my life decade after decade um buddy I I want to turn to a final conversation around around moonshots um and I Define a moonshot as going 10 times bigger compared to when the rest of world is going 10% bigger and and you are an indiv idual uh who has taken a number of moonshots over and over and over again uh obviously what you’re doing in feeding uh what’s the
[01:16:00] Target now 100 billion 100 billion because I’m billion right now yeah 100 billion yeah that’s it it’s it’s a not 10x it’s 100x the psychology of allowing yourself to let go of the past of what is rationally doable and going for something insane is super hard for people to do right and it’s you know at the end of the day the day before something is truly a breakthrough it’s a crazy idea and and most of us don’t Embrace crazy ideas institutions don’t Embrace crazy ideas corporations governments and so forth It’s really that individual who’s got this vision of what YouTube or Airbnb or ubber or SpaceX or Tesla or whatever these companies they’re crazy ideas until they’re made to happen and and we have a large number of entrepreneurs going after moonshots I’d like to tell you what I think gets in the way I call it the tyranny of H the tyranny of how you got to avoid the tyranny of how uh when Martin Luther King or John F Kenny
[01:17:01] use either example jonath Kenny goes out and says in front of the American people we are going to put a man on the moon and return him to Earth safely in this decade and the people in NASA are like what the f there’s no way we don’t have so what did he do he knew what he would needed to do as the leader of this country and he knew why the why was the Russians were beating us in space nuclear power was happening and was concerned about their ability to destroy us this was not like I think we should do this it’s like we have to surpass them in our technology to protect this nation and continue to lead and so when he put those you know irons in the fire everybody said it couldn’t be done but it did when Martin Luther King got up and said I have a dream and he shared that dream he didn’t have any clue how in fact the how wasn’t clear and while we’re still improving that area you know now we’ve had a president United States for eight years was African-American that was unheard of unth thought of it couldn’t happen without his dream first so it’s like what I tell people is when you set a goal and it’s really big and it what happens immediately your brain goes like I’m going to do this and then
[01:18:00] your brain goes who are you kidding because it goes into the how I don’t know how to do this I’ve never done it before and whenever you’ve not done something before you have no certainty when you have no certainty that produces uncertainty which leads to fear fear I’m not enough fear I won’t pull it off fear I’m going to fail and fear is fear is the only enemy here so how do you deal with that you first get so strong on the Wet and Wild what is it I really want and why do I want it with enough reasons I always tell people reasons come first answers come second if you got strong enough reasons why to do something you know exactly what you want and the target is exciting enough you’re going to go there so the guys in here BNB did not have a vision for where they were when they started you know they were just trying to pay their bills that’s that’s what they want to get people to understand they didn’t have enough money so they put mattresses on the ground and there was a a conference in town they were trying to sell it you know it looked like a failure of a business for the first 5 years but you know here we are 10 12 years later and it’s unbelievable so when I first started setting some goals I can remember I was sometimes it’s just putting the Line in
[01:19:01] the Sand I was in a um at a grade school in Houston Texas 30 years ago I was 30 years old and I’ll never forget they they asked me to come and speak to these kids to inspire them and then they put on this little mini you know program for me for each grade about how they’d applied my technology for the first graders second graders third graders it was it was moving at the end I got up and I said they told me to come here to motivate you and I’m not a motivator anyway I said I’m more a strategist but I said you motivated me and I was like I tell you what I don’t want this to end you sixth graders you’re going off you only had one year of it the rest of You’ got many years of this ahead of you I said I’m going to I’m going to arrange to pay for all of your college educations as long as you do a couple things I did this on the spot I just remembered seeing this guy in where was it in in Harlem who decided to to pay for the college educations these kids but I said you know but I don’t have a college education but I think it’s invaluable for you to have the experience of it but in order to get it there’s a couple standards you have to keep a b average and I’ll help you get mentoring and you got to give me 25
[01:20:00] hours of community service now these were kids from the lowest of the low incomes single families mostly African-American Hispanic and I remember the the people the kids didn’t they cheered but they didn’t know what the hell it was the school system thought I was prizz I was some you know some cult that was doing wasn’t doing it I wrote I signed contracts for this this was an amount of money back then that was beyond what I thought I knew how to do wow I knew what and why and I did it and I coach those kids they called me champions of excellence and you know guess what now they’re lawyers and teachers and I mean they’ve got kids and children this is you know they gone on for 30 years now they’re at a different stage of life but same thing with feeding it’s like okay I started with two families then four then eight they got to a million then when I came up with this idea I remember it’s like okay I found out how many people I fed in my lifetime was 42 million like what if I fed 50 million people over the next 5 years that took me a whole life time was like What if I met 50 million people in a year holy what if I met 100 million people in a year what if I did 100 million meals for 10 straight years
[01:21:00] fed a billion meals the level of excitement of that the energy of that the focus of that and the why the impact the lives the people got so big I didn’t even know how I just like I’m going to do this then I started to figure out the how what’s the numbers and so forth but I let the other be so large before the how showed up if you bring how into the early stage of the conversation it will kill your dream it’ll kill your goal because you don’t know how in the beginning how will be revealed if you will put your ass on the line and have strong enough reasons the how will be revealed and revealed often in multiple steps so now I’m closing in I’m at 945 million meals and I’m like whenever you have a goal as you’re approaching the end don’t wait to the end before you set the next one because it’s a game to make you keep growing it’s like it’s the purpose of goal is not to get the goal the purpose is what it makes of you as a human being I love I love that there’s a great there’s a great Joseph Campbell quote that that hits it it goes a bit of advice given to a young Native American at the time of his initiation as you go the way of life you will see a great
[01:22:00] Chasm jump it is not as wide as you think that’s cool I really love that and I think it’s true but you got to put yourself in the line you got to give up the how initially then you put your head into the how once the what and why is so compelling and you bring some other people on on with you who also now see that vision and that’s how you build something that matters and that’s that’s what you’ve done your whole life Peter you’re a perfect example of living true uh but thank you thank you brother I love you too you know uh most many people may not know that you in your theme of of helping to feed the world uh you co-funded one of our ex prises feeding the next billion uh along with uh uh the uh royal family out of Abu Dhabi and the goal there is Reinventing how we produce food right it’s uh instead of you know we have onethird of the non- I land mass of the planet that is used for livestock I mean billions of pigs chicken fish you know it’s it’s insane and as we’re raising the level of uh of standards of living
[01:23:00] for the world we can’t afford to produce more uh high quality protein that way so we’ve asked teams uh to create in this case uh chicken and fish from stem cell grown meats or or vegetable equivalents and uh incredible response there I have a question uh and in that prize hopefully we’ll see the semi-finals very shortly in the Finals within the next year and we’ll reinvent uh the the food uh delivery program so food can be delivered in downtown Nairobi or Detroit or Chicago the case might be you have the food miles which cost a significant percentage of of the cost of food what other place in the world uh or challenge uh if you were going to uh if I was going to if I was going to say Tony I’ve got full funding an entire prize ready to go for what whatever topic you want uh what’s another place that you would love to see uh entrepreneurs innovators scientists
[01:24:00] around the world focus on solving what’s another Grand Challenge out there to me I think uh we we help fund one of those and we made great progress on it but I want to see it at a different level and that’s education because when it comes down to it if we can provide the food and the water and the basic safety and so forth then it really comes to people being able to create the future themselves and I think in order do that in the world that we’re in right now the internet is worthless if you can’t read and write and do basic arithmetic and as you know we’re still in a world where you know 250 million adults are illiterate I mean we’re you know quarter of a billion and we’re going to bring on what another couple billion three billion people on the internet soon so I know we’ve done that that initial prize and we’ve got some technology in that area but I’d love to see that also tied with something that ties to emotional um uh Fitness not so much emotional uh intelligence you emotional intelligence intelligence is a is a capability right you know like you you can be a smart person and not act very smart right so
[01:25:01] we’ve seen that but you know when I when I think about Fitness I think is a state of Readiness like you know you can know what to do and not do what you know you got to bring it up you got to make it active in your nervous system and I you know one of the reasons I did the project I did with Stanford where they did that study on us which just produced in the Journal of Psychiatry is that you know right now we have an epidemic of depression in the world I mean it’s it’s insane how bad it is and how much we are dependent upon these drugs and that people self-medicate in so many ways today whether it’s using Prozac or Zola or it’s you know cocaine or whatever it is that they take meth or cigarettes or some distraction I think we’re living in a world where we’ve been trained to do that and the studies show how terrible it is I mean the guys from Stanford showed me the meta studies show that only 40% of the people that take these drugs and go through therapy get better at all and the average Improvement is 50% % which means they’re half as depressed as they were now some people get totally well but it’s a small percentage and so there was a study done about 3 years ago John’s Hopkins where
[01:26:00] they used you know psilocybin as an active Psy psycho drug psychographic drug and they give them cognitive therapy for a month and they got results they’ve never seen 53% of the people 30 days later were not depressed well they decided to use that same study duplicate it with the same control group and do my date with Destiny because they had two people from Stanford that were clinically press and came back and they weren’t they said we don’t have any data on this so they did the study and it was so profound they didn’t believe it and so to cover themselves they sent the information out two different organizations double blind 30 days later 100% of the people this is no exaggeration since the Journal of Psychiatry double blind studies 100% of the people had no depression symptoms 19% had suicidal ideation before they came in none had suicidal ideation after just six days and all we did in those six days is train people to develop a way of looking at life a philosophy of Life a set of strategies a set of beliefs and values that would allow them to deal with the issues that are around
[01:27:00] them it’s kind of like you wouldn’t take a standard car on you know a desert 1000 you going a th000 miles in the desert or one of those ones who Saudi Arabia where they’re out in the desert and you know you have to have a special piping special tires we need to re-engineer our psychology for the modern world where change happens at a whole different level so I’d love to see that education not just be out of word but also how to enjoy a life that is Meaningful which includes contribution at its base and a way to find the good and what’s going on because what’s wrong is always available it always has been it always will be and it’s getting easier and and it’s getting easier to be available uh you know there there two two things here one is uh you know when you and I went to elementary school whatever it was 50 years ago uh to today uh very little has changed it really is pathetic that that so little has changed in that and your your daughter is going to be getting ready to go into that cycle in the in the in the decade ahead and I think about this with my two 11-year-olds that um I I just
[01:28:03] find what they’re teaching and how they’re teaching and they go to the best school here in in Santa Monica as far as I’m concerned is still um it’s it is a travesty that we’ve not reinvented the educational process right I agree 100% 100% And I think there are people working on it but it’s like why aren’t we using the best teachers you know I know you know there’s a couple models like this already being tested use the best possible teachers and then the the time that they’re doing at school is where they’re being helped that’s where their homework is the lesson could be at home they’re watching and taking notes and doing those things now not now yet because we still don’t have full enough internet and so forth but the direction is why would I average teachers or weak teachers to teach me when I can get the very best on Earth to teach my son or daughter and you know my daughter case and you know I’m fortunate enough to done well enough in life and business help enough other people that I’ve got the economics say no she’ll she will be homeschooled and she’ll have the best teachers on Earth
[01:29:00] because they’re available and I think that’s the direction things are going and also the cost is absurd the government especially this not being political but to to to give a trillion dollars away to a small number of people that are professionals and when all the people that didn’t go to school because they couldn’t get the money or have it you know to have a plumber being paid for or taxi G being able pay for someone who’s getting Advanced degree or degree that doesn’t mean squat for and all mention all the people like you and I who went to school and paid for the school and did it on their own I mean this is absurd but that’s why we have the problem we do because they know it’s being guaranteed by the government I mean when a comp when a you know your one of your beautiful schools has a$ 53 billion basically annuity they’re really just schols insan with with with with private Equity attached to it you know that’s what they are they’re just I know but but this is one I go back to the issue of billionaires giving away their money it’s like really does Harvard need another billion dollars I mean honestly do they really need that extra or
[01:30:01] Stanford they’re all Great Schools but but the truth is they are not hand they’re not putting students out there that are being productive in the world let them reimburse these students instead of the plumber the electrician so you hit a couple of points I want to I want to come back to the point you made about uh is called the flip classroom right we the Con Academy where you at home at night you learn uh about trigonometry or about history and then in school it’s a conversation and doing the work with a teacher there and it really is and we’re seeing open classrooms uh around the world from the top universities and the other side we talked about the notion that human level AI is coming right the the notion of how do we enable AI to be the best educator and by the way the cost of that is effectively going to be zero just like Google is right it’s a cost of electricity now you know you and I have talked about creating AI versions of ourselves and you’ve invested in a couple of platforms looking at that and I we should catch up because I got I’ve
[01:31:00] got a new company I want to share with you that’s uh going to digitize me and and should do the same for you but the idea of having uh the knowledge that you’ve you know taking what you did with date with Destiny and uh how many people are typically in date with Destiny with you 10,000 10,000 now we now we do it we do it digitally now so we used to do 5,000 but now people can participate from the homes around the world so we double and and people get a huge amount by just being in the conversation and doing the work and I commend it to anybody you have to go through this it is a a life-changing experience on so many fundamental levels um you know it’s it’s interesting I I I thought about you know how much I wish I had done it when I was 20 um let alone 30 or 40 but you know if you’re 50 or 60 or 70 when’s the best time to do it tomorrow you know in this next cycle um but the ability to digitize yourself and the best uh uh
[01:32:01] leaders uh Educators coaches uh therapists whatever it might be on the planet and making it available to an individual uh has the potential I mean for when we talk about mental illness and people who need help um it’s this technology that I think has the biggest potential impact I agree 100% I’ve made several investments in and I’m right now in negotiation with another company so I’d love to hear one you’re talking about but uh the ability to really true true AI of true interactivity and it’s not just me I mean I can do that for individuals adults but instead of me working with 880,000 100,000 a million people as a group being able to individually 24 hours a day 365 be there for them and screw me have you have Ray do have all the different great leaders in the world be the teachers for people that’s where education’s going to go and it’s going to drop the price to the floor we’re still going to want to have the experience of being together in some locations and doing things together but I I think it’s going to be a mix of these things and I think it’s going to
[01:33:00] change things right now it’s the worst investment you can make is for most people I mean there’s for some people it’s great depends on what you get educated in obviously and what the quality of Education take the take the time let alone the money you would have spent and go and do an internship with somebody go and be an apprentice you know I have a number of of people who are my Strike Force members who intern with me and in everything in every conversation you know a number of them and it’s like there’s no it’s it’s it’s ridiculous Uh current college education we and we have to differentiate between learning and socialization exactly I’m saying the socialization you’re still going to want to do and they going to shareed experiences and so forth but I just think it it can be done so much more efficiently and this is not sustainable and you know we can’t just keep quot you’re not forgiving a trillion dollars or half a trillion dollars you’re you’re making other people pay for it I mean how can you can you possibly justify that except to try to get votes I mean it’s a political move it’s not a move that’s based on what’s right for society and those things are they’re piling up
[01:34:01] it’s why we have the economic challenges we have we’re a little bit like Rome right now you know you study Rome and Rome just got to a point where they couldn’t sustain financially what they built we’re getting close to that if we don’t turn things around and anyone who’s listening who is has energy around some of these challenges whether it’s in health or education consider that’s where uh you know they’re incredible businesses to be built we’re going to reinvent the entire education system and Healthcare System is going to be disrupted those are the two biggest systems finances there are too government not far behind that are going to collapse and be reinvented and so the question is do you have a vision of what that would look like how you can uplift and help people we’re going to demonetize democratize dematerialize schools it’s going to be an AI it’s going to be in the metaverse it’s going to be personalized where I get the education the way I want the education do I want it visually auditorially experientially it’s going to be meet my needs you know it’s going to be a classroom of one where the AI knows whether I learned anything or I didn’t
[01:35:01] did it hit me or did it Miss me instead of a classroom where half are bored and half are lost but in the meantime while you’re waiting for that beautiful future that’s being built make sure you take control of your kids’s education right now make sure you don’t just shift off to somebody else there’s a few things in life that you want coaching from others on but you need to make the final decision if it comes down to how your children are going to be raised or their education if it’s coming down to your health if it’s coming down to your finances or what you’re going to believe spiritually these are areas that good to get coaching but you have to decide because if someone else is sincere but they’re sincerely wrong it’s going to destroy your life whether it be health or whether it be relationships or whether it be your children so there’s plenty of great tools available right now and because you know I’m now with a 17-month-old right my daughter it’s like I’m I’m immersing myself in all these different forms of Education the things that are appropriate for her now and the things that are coming they’re available so we don’t have to wait for this beautiful compelling future that we can all participate and creating it as well
[01:36:00] but I’d say don’t stop don’t stop right now just because you’re busy make sure you get those things in that matter most to those you love most brother um thank you for spending Labor Day with me seems totally appropriate give my give my love to Sage family and uh thank you for all that you do uh I don’t think people realize the extraordinary scope uh with which you bring meaning to not just your life but so many people around the planet it’s a pleasure to call you a brother and a friend thank you Peter I always love our time together give your little boys a big hug your lady too and I’ll see you soon brother take care bye-bye [Music] bye