that’s the thing that I’ve learned through all this is like as my my uh journey and my like learning into you know how to live a healthier longer optimal life is like the main the main principles that I’ve that I’ve learned are you know extreme cold exposure extreme heat exposure and and fasting and and I’m just trying to do those in a regular way whenever I can and a massive transform to purpose is what you’re telling the world it’s like this is who I am this is what I’m going to do this is the dent I’m going to make in the universe Steve Aoki hey buddy good to see you hey what’s up Peter where are you this morning or afternoon as the case may be um Las Vegas back home nice I’m just it’s it’s it’s like you know I always look at my house most people look at their home as their home I look at it’s like this is like my vacation
[00:01:00] because like my home is the road you know it’s I I hear you I hear you and uh for a man how many days on the road do you typically spend I mean you set I think you set a Guinness Book World Record for the most number of shows in a year yeah most traveled musician on the planet amazing in one calendar year but um it’s I I’m I’m definitely making efforts to slow down I don’t I don’t need to hold this title uh you know like it’s not a title it’s exciting to hold it’s like it is like I you know I I do find myself like proud of this you know when I hear about like oh yeah yoki’s the hardest working artist out there but it’s I mean then then I have the uh the issues of sleep my low REM numbers which like astonish me stuff like that and we’re going to get to that everybody I’m here on moonshots and mindsets with my friend Steve Aoki Grammy nominated billboard topping artist renowned DJ philanthropist fashion designer author
[00:02:00] futurist Surfer and founder uh and like you said Guinness Book World Record for the most traveled musician in a single year uh yeah man that’s cool uh so welcome home I hope you get to stay there for a couple of days I do I I’m excited about this week yeah and it’s funny right um I mean Co was a relief for a lot of PE I mean I’m a road warrior not at your level but it was addicting to be home for during Co for a little oh my God I totally agree I mean like the first the first part of Co was tough the adjustment but once I settled in once my like it’s once you tell your brain like yo this is how it’s going to be instead of like like you know but when you’re like there’s no more fomo because there’s no one’s out when you like take away the fomo element you’re like oh this is this is life settle in like you know figure out what what you’re going to do that that’s when that’s when it became like a lot of fun I I love being home yeah I mean you
[00:03:01] know my heart goes out to people who you know lost family and got sick and lost jobs and all of that but yes yeah but but you know those two years I think a lot of folks are going to look back uh with this Nostalgia of like it was great not to get on an airplane or or go to meetings and just hang out with family and friends that’s that’s the main thing is hanging out with family and friends like it’s uh I I I I remember I said that on a mic on uh to a crowd right when Co broke and I was playing shows again I’m like you know Co was all about spending times with people that you really know really well like that’s your tight Circle you see them you you grow like even a tighter Bond yeah which is something I’ll never forget like swimming with my mom and my sister at like 12 at night and we’re like we we probably will never do this again like we we might but like the these are moments we we have to embrace this stuff and like we’re kind of like holding each
[00:04:00] other like crying in our like in this moment of just amazing time with you know spending with your family and then I I remember I was talking about this on the mic just like got all heartfelt I’m like like I miss that but it’s interesting because like when I’m on stage I miss this and it the whole point of me being obsessed with being on stage is because I want to be around people that I don’t know pump them full of energy right yeah yeah and like I I think it’s like I like we go out here we go to these shows and I never make speeches at shows but I’m like we go out here we go to these shows to be around people we don’t know we’re like this is like part of who we are as humans is that we we like want to be around people we don’t know in large Gatherings like it that’s what’s exciting and we’ve been missing this for for you know over a year and um this is why you can never take away festivals and shows like cuz
[00:05:00] just part of like our brain makeup it’s like we need that oh absolutely there’s there’s a a need to be in community and a need to be in your crowd and you know um for those who don’t know you and I met uh through your foundation uh which is focused on on brain related matters and I you very kindly invited me to be a a keyter at your foundation event and along with David Sinclair and and some other amazing people and it was great and and you know we’re kindered Spirits uh different in many ways and 100% kindered in in in others and so uh We’ve connected on longevity and on health and on brain science and uh I guess you just did some uh some brain related Imaging and reports what what’s up yeah yeah no it’s uh I I uh went to Orange County and I met up with Dr Aon oh great Dr A’s awesome and yeah and like I you know
[00:06:01] I’ve done it at brain MRI before because I was I just wanted to make sure the brain was looking good this is like 10 years ago uh but I did a different it wasn’t an MRI I I laid back and he um you you inject some Isotopes I guess they are radioactive but they’re not you know they’re they’re not bad you know or like it’s a small minute amount so you inject some Isotopes into your bloodstream that that that uh cling onto your your brain somehow um I’m probably messing this whole thing up but and and then you lay back like you’re going in MRI and there’s these little cameras around the uh this machine so it’s not like MRI it’s not like you’re going this crazy thing with a crazy da da da da you know sounds and you just lay back and you they they took pictures and I think they’re they’re looking at like blood flow in your brain right right okay yeah and it’s like your brain when you go and get an MRI and i’ I’ve done this through Fountain life and through uh h a number
[00:07:00] of times um and I think we connected your mom to one of those centers right she going down yeah when you go you you go and you typically get an Imaging of your brain it’s a static image meaning it’s like it’s just looking at the structure like what’s the volume of each part and is there any you know anything too big or too small in there but what’s really interesting is your brain uses a ridiculous amount of oxygen and and glucose and energy and so the real interesting is like your blood brain flow and and your brain regulates where the blood goes depending upon its function so I think Dr Amon was looking at at that so how did how’d it go did you get a good report card I yeah so I got a report card that I’ve never seen before which is that that’s what’s so exciting you know um I you know I think one of the cool things that you see like a healthy brain and I mean I did I did the scan and I went like you know 30 minutes later I sat with uh Dr aan and
[00:08:01] or about an hour later and we showed my brain and a healthy brain and what was cool is like the like the top layer was was you know look looked pretty good there was a little Valley dent in in my prefrontal mhm it’s like right here so um that like he attributed to that to potential like concussions like hitting on the back of my head which I’ve I’ve done from major spill snowboarding and like extreme sports since I was a kid yeah which is actually quite interesting CU like a lot of these like injuries I I did or had were from 10 20 30 years ago and there’s and you can still see that there is like the brain like sosed forward and created this this Dent right here um and he’s like okay that’s something to focus on and then he he flipped flipped the brain upside down and they got to see the underlying part of the brain which is that was really cool yeah and um and and you when you flip it up you have these loes that that
[00:09:00] they kind of they kind of pop up like almost like a helmet with like around your ears sure and and uh and he was saying those are the temporal loes and they looked mangled they were just deformed and they’re just like and they showed the healthy brain and and my brain and my temporal loes were just like kind of like all just destroyed and and and um and then he he was saying that he’s attributing to some sort of like a emotional traumas um and things like that and and then I also did neuro feedback at the same time of do of seeing Dr aan and the neuro feedback reports when I put when I did the brain map scan uh shows I have I have uh issues in memory and in my tentis like my inter loud hearing I think tributed into the temporal lobe area so that that does have a
[00:10:00] an alignment there I mean obviously you abuse yourself from an auditory stpoint I mean in terms of the amount of energy that’s going into your your eard drums every every night that you perform and since you’re the highest performing artists out there I mean it’s probably not as bad as being you know on stage in the midst of a of a of a rock concert but maybe it is I don’t know yeah I like right now in in our conversation I hear ringing yeah it’s just constant ringing permanent ringing that I have to deal with for the rest of my life because there’s no cure for tentis yet and I just I just live with it you know I’m I’ve been living with it since 2007 so it’s um it just gets louder and louder as I destroy more and more my hearing but so I you know I wear earplugs uh pretty consistently now but um um I mean it’s interesting right a lot of us are naive about what’s going on inside our
[00:11:00] bodies we really don’t know I mean and what’s amazing and I talk about this a lot is that our bodies are really great at compensating for problems and when you finally feel a problem like if you have cancer God forbid you don’t you know uh you don’t find out about it at stage zero or stage one or stage two it’s like stage three or four that you finally have some issues or problems you go to the doctor at that point so I mean that’s a lot of why you know the kind of Imaging that’s becoming possible now uh MRI and CT and a whole bunch of other Imaging modalities that look allow you to look every year at your body allow you to track what’s going on in a preventative fashion instead of a reactive fashion hey thanks for listening to moonshots and mindsets I want to take a second to tell you about a company that I love it’s called levels and it helps me be responsible for the food that I eat what I bring into my body see we were were never designed as
[00:12:00] humans to eat as much sugar as we do and sugar is not good for your brain or your heart or your body in general levels helps me monitor the impact the foods that I eat by monitoring my blood sugar for example I learned that if I dip my bread and olive oil it blunts my glycemic response which is good for my health if you’re interested learn more by going to levels. link back/ Peter levels will give you an extra 2 months of membership it’s something that is critical for the future of your longevity all right let’s get back to the conversation in the episode I mean one of the things I know you and I have talked about a bunch is the whole issue of sleep um and uh how would you describe uh your sleep my friend I mean you’re you’re you’re on a unusual sleep cycle to say the least a absolutely irregular absolutely irregular and that’s I know that’s like part of you know the the main points of of longevity is is finding a really good regular you
[00:13:01] know schedule uh on all the things that you do to maintain Health right and I and I get that you know but um and I try to do that with everything else in my life but it’s it’s nearly impossible if I was to unless I quit touring you know and I’m not going to do that so it’s like the one as much as I I am into anti-aging and biohacking and and trying to figure out all the different things that you know optimize my life and live you know live a healthy long long long life uh the touring is is probably the worst part of all of it because you know when I’m at home I’ll you know I’ll go to bed at a very regular time what time would you go to bed if you were like this week uh or next two weeks when you’re home what is your what is your ideal pattern fall into I’ll probably go to bed at 1 or 2 lat that that’s that’s
[00:14:00] a.m. just to be clear yeah yeah that’s 1 or 2 a.m. but but when I’m playing shows I’m going to bed four or five wow and and um and I’m not a napper only when I’m on a plane only when I’m in modes of transportation do I nap yeah the vibration and the lower oxygen level can can knock you out and so the other side of the question is when do you wake up well see the problem is when I’m touring I have to get up for these early flights and that’s when I’m like like for this weekend to give you an example you know from Mexico City to Vegas Vegas to Edmonton canadaa Canada back to to Vegas on Sunday I I got a total amount of maybe six hours you know of sleep for those for that run of yeah of uh three days so I wait wait wait six hours for the total of three days or per day no no total for for all three days oh my God that’s insane yeah I mean like I’m not accounting the Naps because they do count but I don’t want to count them so
[00:15:01] I could be real with my numbers as as conservative as possible but um you know it’s interesting because if you don’t really do the diagnostic checks on and on on your performance level because I I used to just run like that I used to do my shows consistently like you know if I one point I was doing 300 shows a year and I was doing those runs where I’m doing like two to four hours a a night asleep for you know weeks on end weeks and weeks and weeks on end and I never diagnostic checked my shows but I was re I really diagnostic check as much as I can nowadays right and I God my my third show in Edmonton I was like I I was like forgetting some of the lyrics that like songs that are very very like I’m like why am like clearly it’s because I’m not sleeping or I was like like I I was like wait Make some noise
[00:16:00] you know like I’m like wow I’m not like so fluid and you know with it’s interesting how like the brain does like you think you’re good but you’re not ladies and gentlemen this is not what you want to do at home um so you you recently met up with a friend of mine uh Matt Walker um uh I yeah introduced Steve to to Matt um at one of my abundance Platinum events and and you know he is he is the god of sleep he wrote an amazing book uh why we sleep um and uh what did he tell you yeah so I mean you’re you’re like you’re like the Antichrist to sleep I that’s why it’s a perfect pairing Peter you like this as a God said no joke and I’m so grateful for the introduction thank you for that um and I I’m always you know especially what things that I’m really deficient in I’m always looking for the experts of those area Matt is he is the god of
[00:17:01] sleep he really is and he’s been really extremely helpful um and attentive to my aura data so um we we we get on a call like you know like once a week we text quite frequently now and he’s always checking my data and he’s the things he he’s told me is it’s like it’s funny to say but it’s really alarming like I’ve never seen so low REM sleep ever that’s what he said he’s like if I was to tell this to a close family or friend of mine I would tell them they need to make an extreme change in their life my God and um I’m like God if yours telling me this um and I’ve been living this way for decades you know I mean I’m I’m like in a bad I mean I’m laughing because it’s so so like messed up but uh but now I’m making changes so I’m that’s why I’m laughing I’m making CH let’s let’s talk let’s talk about that what changes are you making because you know I mean when
[00:18:02] Matt Walker talks about reduced sleep he’s like if you’re sleeping 6 and 1 half hours a day that’s not enough not 6 and a half hours over three days oh hold I got I got to like I just I just got to read you like one of the lines he’s you know I’m sure this is meant to be this is meant to incentivize everybody listening uh that sleep is sleep is your superpower I mean I when I was in medical school I used to like you know 5 and 1 half hours sleep was what I would optimize for and of course that’s that’s not healthy and I do I shoot for 8 hours now and I’m really pissed if I get if I get seven so well he did tell me like and I love this analogy I think it’s it’s brilliant because it makes people look at sleep differently but he’s like in the in the movie Limitless that Limitless drug where you’re just like like just you could do everything your brain’s just like firing I love that movie love it yeah he’s like the Limitless drug that we can all take is more sleep I’m like oh my God cuz we all
[00:19:03] I I want to take this drug it’s like just get more sleep just get more REM you know and I’m like Oh my like I love thinking of it like that then I I actually would start doing it but uh anyways he’s he said what you say let’s see just on the REM because like this is what my M main focuses I have good deep sleep for my oring but my REM is just piss poor uh this this is some of the lowest amount of REM sleep I’ve seen in an individual consistently over time we usually only see this in people who are heavy alcoholics since alcohol blocks REM though I know this is not you of course because I don’t I don’t drink so U the reason you don’t get REM is that you are only sleeping four and a half hours a night and therefore never give your brain the chance of get any REM sleep so that’s like my focus since he’s since he told me this a few weeks ago and um and he put me on or he told me to to take this uh this this uh this med
[00:20:03] trazodone so I’ve been doing that nightly about 50 milligrams of Trazodone and um it it’s not consistent I’ll be honest um first time I took it I got an hour of REM which is astonishingly high for me which is not high enough um as you know Peter um I usually get like 20 or 30 minutes of REM even at an 8 Hour full horizontal sleep yeah so it’s it was good just to get just break the0 minute but um I I still I still need to figure out why my brain wakes up out of REM to not allow me to get two hours or whatever what the the the usual dosage is so I’m figuring that out I’m still not there yet but I had a healthy amount of sleep last night took 100 milligrams of trazodone last night and I and um went to bed like at 2: and and and I you know after like those two two to three
[00:21:01] hour Windows of sleep over the weekend and I woke up at literally 12:30 in the afternoon yes AES so I slept incredibly long yeah um but still 30 minutes of REM sleep with all that sleep huh 30 minutes more ring well for for Christmas I want to buy you some REM sleep oh my God I would this would be the best person ever oh my God I desperately need more R oh my God hey everybody I hope you’re enjoying this episode I to tell you about something I’ve been doing for years every quarter or so having a fonus come to my home to draw Bloods to understand what’s going on inside my body and it was a challenge to get all the right blood draws and all the right tests done so I ended up co-founding a company that sends a fonus to my home to measure 40 different biomarkers every quarter put them up on a dashboard so I can see what’s in range what’s out of range and then get the write supplements medicines peptides hormones to optimize
[00:22:02] my health it’s something that I want for all my friends and family and I’d love it for you if you’re interested go to myli force.com back/ Peter to learn more let’s get back to the episode so I mean the other thing that you have to deal with uh and I just dealt with this gu I was back and forth to Europe twice and to the Middle East is the whole area of jet lag right I mean that must screw you as as well so how do you deal with jet leg um I deal with it like it’s it’s never it’s never I never hacked it I’ve never hacked I mean is your brain just so screwed up in terms of not sleeping that it doesn’t really matter I think my Ram has probably been like is at this really in really bad position maybe my brain doesn’t allow myself I never checked my aura Data before I used to travel I never had AA back then so yeah yeah it’s interesting though when I travel to like let’s say I travel
[00:23:01] Japan if I go if I go I guess East right or east west west I’m in Nevada uh when I go to Japan like three days I’m good three days I’m good when I come back it’s like actually no when I go to Japan it’s like six days I’m bad but I come back it’s like 3 days I’m good 3 days I’m normal so it’s interesting when you go when I go back to my time zone it’s a lot easier when I go there it’s like twice as long I I don’t interesting usually usually people do better when they go west in fact when you’re when you’re looking at uh like always on this ship called the worldship that would travel around the world and it would always be moving east to west because it’s um your you’re gaining time in that regard versus versus losing it but anyway pal I I mean the the single most important thing for all of us in in the world of
[00:24:02] sleep is prioritizing it and I think for me the biggest lesson and there’s a whole bunch of hacks and I put out you know uh sort of summaries but Matt Walker’s book is is still why we sleep is the best but um it’s prioritizing sleep and when you go to sleep which is really hard for you I mean it’s like I’m in bed at if I can if I have any control I’m in bed at 9:30 and I hope to be asleep by 10:00 uh cuz I my brain wakes up in the morning at at 5:30 or 6 the only way for me to get 8 hours is that way that’s great yeah you do cold plunges does that help you at all yeah I mean I think that like I don’t know if it’s really helped me on my REM but on overall performance and just excitement for life just on that principle alone I I do it I I leave a cult plunge I always say like whenever I onboard new new members of the uh cold plune extreme cold exposure uh membership club that I
[00:25:03] have here at my house uh um and I love introducing this to like you know very very scared friends of mine uh I’m like you literally leave the water a brand new you like it’s a different you if you’re prepared for that join me into this new exclusive membership club the extreme cult so describe for people what how long do you do a cold plunge for is it like an ice Laden bath what talk to me about cold plunges one second so I’m obsessed with with the cold punch I I I got really into it um through Wim Hoff method and I started working with some of his uh his students or whatever in different parts of the world I would just fill up baths in the hotel room and do breath work and and all that good stuff so I I got my own here and I went with lar Hamilton I did at his house with him and Gabby and and was inspired got his same unit so I
[00:26:00] have I got one here uh it’s a solo tub you just sit in it and fill it with ice I got two of those because I had so many friends coming over and then I got a third one because I was the guy onboarding so many people to the ice exposure and then I was like you know what I need to do one better so I turned my water feature in my house which is holds probably at least 15 people it’s like a Jacuzzi so big and I just put a chiller on there and and I and I just turn into another extreme a group cold PL I mean nor 36 degrees maybe you normally it’s the jacuzzi that everybody’s jumping into here yeah yeah so I get like the jacuzzi is actually not even warm I don’t even heat up the jacuzzi because I don’t even use it so uh I have my water feature that that now we I you know we bring in like six people or whoever I’m like whoever I can onboard and we sitting there for four to five minutes um I don’t know what stage is a diminishing returns effect but how
[00:27:01] what’s the longest what’s the longest you’ve ever been in a cold plunge do you know you know interestingly enough as much as I do it and I you know I was doing it like daily during covid and I do it like three times a week you know when I’m home um I only I’ve never broke 10 minutes I always do like nine minutes in I’m out you know I know I don’t like turn it into like this this this like Marathon like how long can I go I just you know I mean my niece I remember her she’s when she was 19 during covid we would do it as a family right so we get my whole family together and do it and and the first the first time she did it she couldn’t last 30 seconds and then by the 10th time she wanted to beat my security who was staying with me that he’s a Navy Seals uh you know he just he was in the Navy Seals he did 45 minutes for whatever reason why I don’t know why and she was so angry she’s like I’m gonna beat him like Natalie please do not do anything to endanger your health I don’t want to see you like have hypothermia just don’t do it and the
[00:28:01] next day she’s like I beat him 45 minutes and 30 seconds in the in the cold plge I’m like this is I I can’t believe it but um I I’ve been the longest I’ve done it probably is like three minutes but when I remember doing it was going underwater and holding my breath you know just a complete complete Emer emersion for for 60 seconds of that and it is I hate cold I hate cold it’s like I hate it but you’re absolutely right man it is you come out of that feeling so energized so revitalized that it’s uh it’s awesome it’s a it’s a you just like woohoo I just like do anything it’s extraordin yeah it’s all it’s it’s always the worst before like the like there’s no greater fear and feeling than before you even touch the water and then the second biggest fear is in the first minute because you’re your brain is just going haywire like oh my God what’s
[00:29:00] going on like you got to get out like blah blah blah heart rate goes up everything goes crazy and then you think you’re going to die and and you just have to tell yourself to calm down through that minute of pain and torture and then boom that thermal layer of heat goes over your chest you’re like whoa I I’m not cold in the areas that that are protected your fingers start getting cold and you just have to deal with that but um and then you’re like wow four minutes goes by pretty quick and then and then and then you’re just a brand new you and ready to to Take On The World you are and as David Sinclair and and many others will tell you that cold plunge uh just activates so many uh so many uh uh you know uh genes that are that that are revitalizing for you because the when the body is in extremis it shuts down a lot of the lazy uh protocols and just gets you focused on
[00:30:02] uh on performance you know there’s heat shock proteins that get activated in a uh in a um in a sauna and one of the things I love doing at my my friend’s home I don’t have the situation here is we’ll go you know in the sauna for like 30 minutes and then coal plunge and then in the sauna and Co plunge just going back and forth I feel like I’m going to crack on that I love that I love that that’s the thing that I’ve learned through all this is like as my my uh journey and my like learning into you know how to live a healthier longer optimal life is like the main the main principles that I’ve that I’ve learned are you know extreme cold exposure extreme heat exposure and and fasting and and I’m just trying to do those in a regular way whenever I can and um and I I I definitely feel more optimal and sleep I and sleep which which I’m I need to put that in the fourth yes I need to
[00:31:00] put that in the fourth I always see those three and I’m like God sleep is so important and I’m not I am getting it but I’m not getting enough to REM and I’m going to figure that out Steve listen thank you my friend for uh your your unbridled enthusiasm and and purpose and passion and uh excited uh to be doing things with you excited to have you uh join us at a 360 in March EXC excited for uh helping spread the co the gospel of uh of brain science and health through your foundation and excited for the REM sleep I’m going to gift you please thank you Peter I’d love to talk with you all right brother be well all right have a beautiful day